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Post by kris on Oct 21, 2017 12:57:19 GMT
I'm in no rush to change my engine, the rushton I have is in good running order and pushes the boat along nicely so it's staying for now.there are lots of other things to spend my money on for the boat. But at some stage id love to have a 3l2 or 4l2 or at a push a 4lw Kris just a short question, is the engine you have in your boat really a "RUSHTON" engine, as that's how you always write it, and that's why I'm wondering, or is it an engine that I know as "RUSTON" without the "H" ? Peter EnregistrerIt's a Ruston hornsby, built in Stafford by dorman and badged as English electric diesels to be precise, but point taken my spelling is atrocious.
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Post by Andyberg on Oct 21, 2017 12:59:48 GMT
Quick question...why is there this obsession with Gardner engines in the boating world?
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Post by kris on Oct 21, 2017 13:03:00 GMT
Quick question...why is there this obsession with Gardner engines in the boating world? Because they are well made ,reliable and economical.
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Post by bargemast on Oct 21, 2017 13:05:45 GMT
Kris just a short question, is the engine you have in your boat really a "RUSHTON" engine, as that's how you always write it, and that's why I'm wondering, or is it an engine that I know as "RUSTON" without the "H" ? Peter EnregistrerIt's a Ruston hornsby, built in Stafford by dorman and badged as English electric diesels to be precise, but point taken my spelling is atrocious. No worries about your spelling Kris, I was only wondering if your engine was one made by a factory that I'd never heard of of, which would be very possible. Peter. Enregistrer
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Post by Andyberg on Oct 21, 2017 13:09:52 GMT
Quick question...why is there this obsession with Gardner engines in the boating world? Because they are well made ,reliable and economical. My pal with the Northwich Trader has a 3lr in his....it's on its third serious engine job since 2005 as we speak.. New mains and the like after suffering severe oil pressure loss costing around £2000. I think it's down to 'underuse' in a narrowboat, his is never really used and revved / worked hard as it's simply too much! Does look oop pretty tho. edditted to add..... Would I swap my Ruston 2YDA for a Gardner at a premium price......Not a chance in hell!
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Post by kris on Oct 21, 2017 13:10:19 GMT
It's a Ruston hornsby, built in Stafford by dorman and badged as English electric diesels to be precise, but point taken my spelling is atrocious. No worries about your spelling Kris, I was only wondering if your engine was one made by a factory that I'd never heard of of, which would be very possible. Peter. EnregistrerNo worries Peter
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Post by bargemast on Oct 21, 2017 13:11:59 GMT
Quick question...why is there this obsession with Gardner engines in the boating world? Because they are well made ,reliable and economical. And if treated well, they're ever lasting, I've seen Gardner engines installed in commercial barges that had done more than 50.000h, and were still running beautifully. For big slow revving engines numbers of hours (and more) like that are very normal, but for a smallish engine that had to work hard all of these 50.000h it's an excellent performance, and even being much more expensive then the often used DAF engine, it was a good investment. Peter Enregistrer
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 13:16:06 GMT
Just in case anyone was not quite sure about the technical language being used regarding Gardner engines I thought I would put it through a diesel engine enthusiasts translator.
"Gardner engines are the Dog's Bollocks".
edited to add: I don't possess one (Gardner) as I am not a true enthusiast. I'm a weakling who spent £10k on a new Kubota (spits into bin) diesel engine for my boat.
My excuse is that a Gardner would have been too tall to get under the floor in the wheelhouse, which is true.
I do like a Gardner when appropriately used.
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Post by bargemast on Oct 21, 2017 13:18:38 GMT
Just in case anyone was not quite sure about the technical language being used regarding Gardner engines I thought I would put it through a diesel engine enthusiasts translator. "Gardner engines are the Dog's Bollocks". I suppose that that makes it crystal clear for everybody . Peter Enregistrer
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Post by kris on Oct 21, 2017 13:19:04 GMT
Because they are well made ,reliable and economical. My pal with the Northwich Trader has a 3lr in his....it's on its third serious engine job since 2005 as we speak.. New mains and the like after suffering severe oil pressure loss costing around £2000. I think it's down to 'underuse' in a narrowboat, his is never really used and revved / worked hard as it's simply too much! Does look oop pretty tho. edditted to add..... Would I swap my Ruston 2YDA for a Gardner at a premium price......Not a chance in hell! Your Ruston is a good engine so why swap it. The obsession with gardners has sent the prices stupidly silly, I wouldn't pay silly money for one. As for your friends engine do you mean 3lw or 3l2. The questions id ask are how old is it?was it rebuilt before your friend installed it? Who rebuilt it? If it was rebuilt and how much work had it done before? The thing gardners have a reputation for,is that they will still run even when in appalling States and you can isolate individual cylinders. Both very good get you home traits if your out at sea in a trawler. Which is what a lot of the bigger ones where used for.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 13:21:41 GMT
I expect its a 3LW .
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Post by kris on Oct 21, 2017 13:21:46 GMT
Because they are well made ,reliable and economical. And if treated well, they're ever lasting, I've seen Gardner engines installed in commercial barges that had done more than 50.000h, and were still running beautifully. For big slow revving engines numbers of hours (and more) like that are very normal, but for a smallish engine that had to work hard all of these 50.000h it's an excellent performance, and even being much more expensive then the often used DAF engine, it was a good investment. Peter EnregistrerThis is a very good point Peter. They where always a more expensive option, so if they weren't worth the extra money commercial,operaters wouldn't have paid it.
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Post by kris on Oct 21, 2017 13:22:30 GMT
Me to, but it's polite to ask.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 13:25:11 GMT
Going back to your earlier comment about Kelvin J2 units (also trawler engines) I thought they were worth a lot more than £1500 at the height of the "we want as much brass to polish and a kerlunk kerlunk noise" narrow boat building phase. I'm a bit surprised by your claim they were never worth more than a couple of grand.
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Post by Andyberg on Oct 21, 2017 13:27:12 GMT
Sorry my mistake..3LW, he bought it in 2004 from a Gardner specialist in Weymouth, (can't remember their name) for £10k supposedly recovered from a fishing boat and rebuilt/restored It then spewed its guts with serious top end problems, valves redone etc in about 2007 then six months ago had a serious loss of pressure, being either the pump or the shells. He had the pump checked by Charles ( the renown Gardner expert ) and is now waiting his new bearing shells to arrive and rebuilt.
Hopefully this time it'll be sorted!
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