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Post by kris on Oct 21, 2017 9:32:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 10:15:55 GMT
That's interesting.
You mention the RCD thing. Is it now the case that old engines are not allowed to be fitted in new boats? I thought this was the case but was unsure of the details. That funny old bridgewater tug replica I looked at had a Kelvin J2 and the bloke I went with was thinking it was a £6k+ engine but it seems the game is changing.
You know more then me about it.
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Post by kris on Oct 21, 2017 10:40:23 GMT
Apparently it is now not allowed to fit old engines in new build boats. But there are exceptions. If the design of the boat is an old design pre some designated date, ie a replica . I suppose it could be argued that any narrowboat is a replica of an old boat, debateable I know. So it seems an area of uncertainty that will put some people off. As for a j2 being a £6000 engine no way even at the height of the historic engine fad, I would say £1000-1500 tops. The gardner in the advert isn't a marine engine even though it's got a marine air intake and a gearbox fitted. I suppose this would lower the price, that and the stupid green colour he's painted it. No gardner would have ever been painted that colour in the factory.
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Post by bargemast on Oct 21, 2017 10:46:03 GMT
It's not easy to find the up to date rules about the use of old engines in (new) boats.
I seem to remember that you are still allowed to put an old engine in an old boat that was built before 1950.
Also in a new boat if it was a replica of an old craft built before 1950.
But these rules (if they were right) may have changed again.
As boat registration seems to be a bit vague in the UK, I think that it wouldn't be too difficult to just install an old type engine in an existing boat or barge.
This Gardner doesn't look overly expensive if it would be £3500 cheaper, even I could afford to buy it.
Peter
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Post by bargemast on Oct 21, 2017 10:48:10 GMT
Apparently it is now not allowed to fit old engines in new build boats. But there are exceptions. If the design of the boat is an old design pre some designated date, ie a replica . I suppose it could be argued that any narrowboat is a replica of an old boat, debateable I know. So it seems an area of uncertainty that will put some people off. As for a j2 being a £6000 engine no way even at the height of the historic engine fad, I would say £1000-1500 tops. The gardner in the advert isn't a marine engine even though it's got a marine air intake and a gearbox fitted. I suppose this would lower the price, that and the stupid green colour he's painted it. No gardner would have ever been painted that colour in the factory. Hi Kris, you were a bit quicker with your message, but it's about the same as what I just wrote, so I was (we were) probably not too far off. Peter Enregistrer
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Post by kris on Oct 21, 2017 10:53:07 GMT
Apparently it is now not allowed to fit old engines in new build boats. But there are exceptions. If the design of the boat is an old design pre some designated date, ie a replica . I suppose it could be argued that any narrowboat is a replica of an old boat, debateable I know. So it seems an area of uncertainty that will put some people off. As for a j2 being a £6000 engine no way even at the height of the historic engine fad, I would say £1000-1500 tops. The gardner in the advert isn't a marine engine even though it's got a marine air intake and a gearbox fitted. I suppose this would lower the price, that and the stupid green colour he's painted it. No gardner would have ever been painted that colour in the factory. Hi Kris, you were a bit quicker with your message, but it's about the same as what I just wrote, so I was (we were) probably not too far off. Peter EnregistrerYes Peter it's something like we both suggested, although you got the bit about fitting old engines into old boats in. I'm really happy with the rushton I've got at the min, so it's only a long term ambition to fit a gardner at some stage. Whilst my boat had a 2lw fitted when in service, I think I'd want a 3 or 4 cylinder engine.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 11:02:36 GMT
It is unusual for Gardners to be green but the late Tim Leech who used to be on canalworld and was very knowledgeable suggested that some Gardner engines did in fact leave the factory painted green. A big enough batch order would probably warrant a special colour scheme if it was part of the branding for example.
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Post by bargemast on Oct 21, 2017 11:04:10 GMT
If your Ruston engine is in good running order, I wouldn't bother installing another engine, unless you have a lot of spare cash laying around as ballast.
Maybe one day if all the rest of your boat is finished the way you want it to be, and you come across an engine that's not too expensive, and is exactly what you want, than go for it.
About the bad choice of green for the advertised Gardner, I'm sure that Gardner never used that ugly green either, they were mainly grey, some blue, white and a much nicer green too.
Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Oct 21, 2017 11:04:24 GMT
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Post by kris on Oct 21, 2017 11:07:00 GMT
It is unusual for Gardners to be green but the late Tim Leech who used to be on canalworld and was very knowledgeable suggested that some Gardner engines did in fact leave the factory painted green. A big enough batch order would probably warrant a special colour scheme if it was part of the branding for example. Yes but not that green.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 11:07:53 GMT
I see kris didn't say they weren't green he said not that colour which is slightly different.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 11:09:28 GMT
If I were restoring an old engine and looking to paint it I would paint it white. Makes the whole thing easier to see.
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Post by kris on Oct 21, 2017 11:10:15 GMT
If your Ruston engine is in good running order, I wouldn't bother installing another engine, unless you have a lot of spare cash laying around as ballast. Maybe one day if all the rest of your boat is finished the way you want it to be, and you come across an engine that's not too expensive, and is exactly what you want, than go for it. About the bad choice of green for the advertised Gardner, I'm sure that Gardner never used that ugly green either, they were mainly grey, some blue, white and a much nicer green too. Peter. I'm in no rush to change my engine, the rushton I have is in good running order and pushes the boat along nicely so it's staying for now.there are lots of other things to spend my money on for the boat. But at some stage id love to have a 3l2 or 4l2 or at a push a 4lw
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Post by kris on Oct 21, 2017 11:11:52 GMT
If I were restoring an old engine and looking to paint it I would paint it white. Makes the whole thing easier to see. If I was restoring a gardner I'd paint it grey, which is the colour most of them left the factory. But maybe I'm a bit conservative about such things.
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Post by bargemast on Oct 21, 2017 12:35:43 GMT
If your Ruston engine is in good running order, I wouldn't bother installing another engine, unless you have a lot of spare cash laying around as ballast. Maybe one day if all the rest of your boat is finished the way you want it to be, and you come across an engine that's not too expensive, and is exactly what you want, than go for it. About the bad choice of green for the advertised Gardner, I'm sure that Gardner never used that ugly green either, they were mainly grey, some blue, white and a much nicer green too. Peter. I'm in no rush to change my engine, the rushton I have is in good running order and pushes the boat along nicely so it's staying for now.there are lots of other things to spend my money on for the boat. But at some stage id love to have a 3l2 or 4l2 or at a push a 4lw Kris just a short question, is the engine you have in your boat really a "RUSHTON" engine, as that's how you always write it, and that's why I'm wondering, or is it an engine that I know as "RUSTON" without the "H" ? Peter Enregistrer
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