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Post by patty on Dec 21, 2017 6:59:54 GMT
they all lie...tell a lie often and apparently it becomes the truth for them...then they can defend it because for them twas true. They should know by now that bloodhounds of the press once they sniff the scent of a good story will never give up... I would think all countries politicians are of the same ilk...it could be how they get to power..the only problem arises is when they are caught out and its juicy enough for them to be torn apart..... I don't think for the Press its a moral stance that guides their 'get them' actions....it sell papers. This world is not nice at times.
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 21, 2017 9:20:11 GMT
He "broke the ministerial code"...where can I see a copy of that? Does it really even exist?...by "making inaccurare and misleading statements"...Call a spade a spade please, I feel insulted that the bbc and others are content to quote this rather use the correct term - lied.
Is the "ministerial code" like the code for multi company directors who are supposedly such upright and honest gentlemen (and women) that the thought of using the info at their disposal for personal gain wouldn't even occur to them?
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 21, 2017 9:49:15 GMT
Still time to hang many politicians before Christmas! Feel free to phone your local MP and give them a piece of your mind - nothing illegal about that; they did promise to serve their constituents. I find they're usually at home around 3am.
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Post by Andyberg on Dec 22, 2017 7:01:46 GMT
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Post by bodger on Dec 22, 2017 8:56:33 GMT
He also thinks it's OK to do it in a classroom. Member of the 'Socialist Party' - explains it all. yeah, they do love sharing things with the proletariat.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 22, 2017 9:13:17 GMT
I'm reading that one of the things he's in trouble for is that he asked a woman out for a drink. I mean, really?
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Post by Graham on Dec 22, 2017 11:31:04 GMT
He "broke the ministerial code"...where can I see a copy of that? Does it really even exist?...by "making inaccurare and misleading statements"...Call a spade a spade please, I feel insulted that the bbc and others are content to quote this rather use the correct term - lied. Is the "ministerial code" like the code for multi company directors who are supposedly such upright and honest gentlemen (and women) that the thought of using the info at their disposal for personal gain wouldn't even occur to them? It does exist and he broke 1C he was not honest and accurate in statements he made about the computer porn, both publically and in Parliament. www.civilservant.org.uk/library/2016_ministerial_code.pdfEd. Also broke D c. It is of paramount importance that Ministers give accurate and truthful information to Parliament, correcting any inadvertent error at the earliest opportunity. Ministers who knowingly mislead Parliament will be expected to offer their resignation to the Prime Minister; d. Ministers should be as open as possible with Parliament and the public, refusing to provide information only when disclosure would not be in the public interest, which should be decided in accordance with the relevant sta
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 22, 2017 14:06:45 GMT
He "broke the ministerial code"...where can I see a copy of that? Does it really even exist?...by "making inaccurare and misleading statements"...Call a spade a spade please, I feel insulted that the bbc and others are content to quote this rather use the correct term - lied. Is the "ministerial code" like the code for multi company directors who are supposedly such upright and honest gentlemen (and women) that the thought of using the info at their disposal for personal gain wouldn't even occur to them? It does exist and he broke 1C he was not honest and accurate in statements he made about the computer porn, both publically and in Parliament. www.civilservant.org.uk/library/2016_ministerial_code.pdfEd. Also broke D c. It is of paramount importance that Ministers give accurate and truthful information to Parliament, correcting any inadvertent error at the earliest opportunity. Ministers who knowingly mislead Parliament will be expected to offer their resignation to the Prime Minister; d. Ministers should be as open as possible with Parliament and the public, refusing to provide information only when disclosure would not be in the public interest, which should be decided in accordance with the relevant sta Yes, I found it when I actually looked! It appears a perfect document. Lots of reassurance for the public and makes it easy to dump your ministers if you want. Not our fault mate, ministerial code innit.
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 22, 2017 14:14:58 GMT
And it makes a great list for the opposition to work through if they were looking to get rid of a particularly loathsome minister.
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Post by thebfg on Dec 22, 2017 15:32:02 GMT
He "broke the ministerial code"...where can I see a copy of that? Does it really even exist?...by "making inaccurare and misleading statements"...Call a spade a spade please, I feel insulted that the bbc and others are content to quote this rather use the correct term - lied. Is the "ministerial code" like the code for multi company directors who are supposedly such upright and honest gentlemen (and women) that the thought of using the info at their disposal for personal gain wouldn't even occur to them? It does exist and he broke 1C he was not honest and accurate in statements he made about the computer porn, both publically and in Parliament. www.civilservant.org.uk/library/2016_ministerial_code.pdfEd. Also broke D c. It is of paramount importance that Ministers give accurate and truthful information to Parliament, correcting any inadvertent error at the earliest opportunity. Ministers who knowingly mislead Parliament will be expected to offer their resignation to the Prime Minister; d. Ministers should be as open as possible with Parliament and the public, refusing to provide information only when disclosure would not be in the public interest, which should be decided in accordance with the relevant sta Yes. I under the impression that when it went down he was not investigated for open but for his comments to his boss.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 22, 2017 16:14:08 GMT
Personally, I consider that while lying to friends, family or other people with whom you have a personal relationship to be unacceptable, lying through your teeth at work is fair game, especially if it saves you being blamed for something you have done wrong but do not wish to be blamed for, or protects you from having to do something that you do not wish to do.
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Post by Gone on Dec 22, 2017 16:48:21 GMT
Personally, I consider that while lying to friends, family or other people with whom you have a personal relationship to be unacceptable, lying through your teeth at work is fair game, especially if it saves you being blamed for something you have done wrong but do not wish to be blamed for, or protects you from having to do something that you do not wish to do. Until you get caught..................
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 22, 2017 19:39:27 GMT
Personally, I consider that while lying to friends, family or other people with whom you have a personal relationship to be unacceptable, lying through your teeth at work is fair game, especially if it saves you being blamed for something you have done wrong but do not wish to be blamed for, or protects you from having to do something that you do not wish to do. Until you get caught.................. When I lived in Ramsgate, I once got caught out in a lie when I phoned an employer to say that I wouldn't be able to get to work tomorrow because I was stuck in Staffordshire. When he confronted me about my lies, I fessed up and said "How did you know?" He said "When you phoned, I could hear the seagulls in the background".
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Post by JohnV on Dec 23, 2017 9:42:26 GMT
There is one point that the left wing will be keen not to bring up while attempting to attack their opposing numbers ......
Apparently Mr Green is the first politician to resign for "lying to parliament" since John Profumo ........ astounding when you look back on the Bliar and Mandy years.
(incidentally I believe the last minister to resign (and mean it and keep to it) for being being titularly responsible as head of department for a major cock up was ...... Lord Carrington)
For those who don't remember that far back, He was the Foreign Minister (for a only a short period prior) during the invasion of the Falklands by Argentina
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Post by bodger on Dec 24, 2017 9:21:43 GMT
Until you get caught.................. When I lived in Ramsgate, I once got caught out in a lie when I phoned an employer to say that I wouldn't be able to get to work tomorrow because I was stuck in Staffordshire. When he confronted me about my lies, I fessed up and said "How did you know?" He said "When you phoned, I could hear the seagulls in the background". I never had a day off work for sickness in 45 years (being shot doesn't count) but I had loads of uncles who died and I had to attend their funerals, which is the kind of excuse that no employer will challenge (not the first time anyway).
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