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Post by patty on Dec 9, 2017 12:06:55 GMT
We've all got so many transferrable skills though Im not sure my nursing qualifications will aid in helping restore.....my botch it D-I-Y capabilities on the other hand may be useful.... I won't offer to be chief cook unless all want to lose weight.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 12:40:00 GMT
I think a nurse would be very handy on an old wreck full of chip shouldered sweary weirdos
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 12:48:17 GMT
We need bargemast to carry out a quick visual inspection and confirm or deny my suggestion its aluminium. I don't really want to get in there with a magnet but could do so in the interest of the forum if other experts are unsure. IF it was aluminium it might make the salvage operation quite a lot less complicated as aluminium is about a third of the weight of steel. And if it turns out to be scrap then aluminium is more valuable than mild steel so that would no doubt help as well. Knowing that ads are often full of lies, I still believe that it was very rare for yachts built around 1920's to be made of aluminium. In the ebay ad you can read : "The whole ship is built of steel"
So unless a magnet will proof that's wrong, I do believe this.
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I'm amazed there is not a single spot of rust visible anywhere. And it doesn't appear to be riveted but that would need closet inspection. I think its a much more modern aluminium boat myself. I also think that the length of 155ft is probably correct for this particular boat whereas the original 1922 Thornycroft boat was 108ft. It would seem odd to say it's all steel if it isn't but you never know they may not have checked - specially if this is just a joke listing and someone having a giggle What happens when you paint aluminium? The paint comes off like This And look at the stem. Surely a steel boat built in 1922 is going to have a cast stem post to attach the plating to? This just looks too lightweight and "tinny" to be a 1920s steel motor yacht. To me . I've got a fiend with a sailing boat down there so may be able to get down there and chuck one of my magnets at it (giggle) and see what happens. Blah blah blah
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 9, 2017 13:30:35 GMT
More from the local paper. www.maldonandburnhamstandard.co.uk/news/15444629.Capsized_boat_dubbed__Burnham_Titanic__could_turn_quayside_into_laughing_stock__residents_claim/The owners of the boat, Bob and Liz Tippett, now live in London and hadn’t lived on the boat for several months before it capsized. Nick Skeens, of Burnham South Ward, said: “I’ve been in contact with the boat owner; he’s been given a great deal of paperwork and there’s been a number of bureaucratic issues preventing progress. “As a town council we should take responsibility to ensure this gets done. Burnham mayor Bob Calver said: “The process of the Llys Helig’s repairs is a very complex and difficult one. Everything is being done to move it forward.”
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 9, 2017 13:39:47 GMT
Sorry if this was posted before. Present owners didn't have it long, probably not insured, etc. Some details of what happened - "after strong winds it shifted onto a mud bank next the mooring then fell over when the tide went out" or words to that effect.
Can't post the link it just downloads a pdf. Can't even see the whole link to type it out, sorry.
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 9, 2017 13:42:30 GMT
But I can cut and paste the content...
L 2017 QUESTIONS TO THE LEADER Question Can the Leader give Council an update in resolving the situation involving the vessel Llys Helig which has capsized on the foreshore at Burnham on Crouch? 1. RESPONSE 1.1 The Council owns a small section of foreshore and riverbed in Burnham on Crouch. The area has historically been licensed to individuals for the repair and maintenance of vessels. Since at least 1999 the berth has been occupied by a large motor vessel Llys Helig. Ownership of Llys Helig has changed during the period that she has been moored at the location. 1.2 It is believed that in 2015 the ownership of the vessel changed to the current owner Officers approached the owners to establish a new license agreement with the Council. Included within this agreement all necessary insurances would have been requested but the owner has not responded to communications from the Council and letters sent recorded delivery to him have all been returned. 1.3 In March of this year and after a period of strong winds the vessel moved onto a mud bank next to its normal mooring. As the tide receded the boat listed heavily and eventually rolled over into the hole in the mud that the boat would normally rest in. 1.4 Officers were made aware of the situation by the Crouch Harbour Authority on the 6 March and the two organisations have worked together to minimise the risk of the contents of the Llys Helig from escaping and causing visual pollution. The craft does not have engines and therefore the risk of oil based pollution is minimal, however there are a large number of household items that have now been contained to prevent their spreading onto the surrounding mud. 1.5 Since the incident Officers from the Council and Crouch Harbour Authority have made numerous attempts to make contact with the owner of Llys Helig and a meeting was arranged for last week. The owner did not attend and although the individual has been contacted by telephone and email, he claims not to have a forwarding address. 1.6 Officers have started investigating potential resolutions to the issue presented that do not expose the Council to significant financial expenditure. The situation is not simple and the legal implications of acting need to be understood before any decision is made to recover sell or dispose of the vessel. The Council may not have legal power to take control of the vessel however the Crouch Harbour Authority do have stronger powers and may instruct the Council to take action as land owners. 1.7 Officers have been informally approached by two third parties that have expressed an interest in helping resolve the problem by salvaging the craft without the Council paying any costs.
1.8 Estimates are also being sought from contractors within and outside the local area to establish whether they are able to provide a cost effective salvage operation. An alternative may be to cut the vessel up and dispose of it in situ. 1.9 The legal position around this case is not simple and officers are still awaiting clear legal advice. There is some urgency associated with the case, in that the longer vessel rests on its side the more challenging and expensive the recovery operation could become. 2. CONCLUSION 2.1 The capsized Llys Helig rests on land owned by the Council but is the owner’s responsibility to recover the vessel and make it safe. The current owner has not provided assurances that he is either able or willing to accept his responsibility. 2.2 After collating further information and seeking clarification on the legal position the next step will be to take a report to Community Services Committee and Finance and Corporate Services committee with a range of options for a decision as soon as practically possible. Background Papers: None Enquiries to: Ben Brown, Group Manager, Leisure, Countryside and Tourism. Telephone 01621 876210
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Post by bargemast on Dec 9, 2017 13:44:06 GMT
There will be plenty of boats with hulls that are still exactly like the day they left the yards where they were built.
But...you'll find that many have had repair/modernisation works done within an almost 100 year lifespan.
This one seems to have had some work on the bows done, if you go down the stem, you'll see that it's much heavier closer to the bottom.
I would think that this boat was origianally of a riveted construction, there are still some rivets visible here and there, like around the hawser-hole, where you see the heavy half round to be riveted.
About the non-sticking paint, it could be that the plates were galvanised as a good rust protection at some stage, paint doesn't like to stick long and well on zinc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 14:39:45 GMT
I think that because (I believe) it is aluminium the stem has been reinforced below the water line probably to prevent damage from striking partly submerged objects. Above the Waterline it is less important. Cost cutting. Cheap boat. And I reckon the ring around the hawsehole could just be bolted on. It doesn't have a classy look at all (to me) but I am by no means an expert on that type of boat. It looks newer. And tinny.
I suppose galvanised steel is possible but I would expect some rust anyway at least some from the topsides .
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Post by bargemast on Dec 9, 2017 14:43:55 GMT
I think that because (I believe) it is aluminium the stem has been reinforced below the water line probably to prevent damage from striking partly submerged objects. Above the Waterline it is less important. Cost cutting. Cheap boat. And I reckon the ring around the hawsehole could just be bolted on. It doesn't have a classy look at all (to me) but I am by no means an expert on that type of boat. It looks newer. And tinny. I suppose galvanised steel is possible but I would expect some rust anyway at least some from the topsides . Maybe if you ask the seller nicely, he (they) may be prepared to include a pile of rust with the deal if you pay cash Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 14:48:50 GMT
I wonder where they'll find that. No engines present apparently. Aluminium hull. Might not even be a bucket of rust on the whole boat !
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Post by kris on Dec 9, 2017 15:12:04 GMT
Its scrap. if it is aliminium then it's worth salvaging.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 15:29:01 GMT
There seems to be some confusion about this boat as the seller mentions a pair of "straight eights or straight tens" being in there but the council meeting says" 1.4 Officers were made aware of the situation by the Crouch Harbour Authority on the 6 March and the two organisations have worked together to minimise the risk of the contents of the Llys Helig from escaping and causing visual pollution. The craft does not have engines and therefore the risk of oil based pollution is minimal,"
So which one is correct? I guess to the council "no fuel on board as engines are decommisioned" is the equivalent of "does not have engines"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 15:42:07 GMT
"A small sum to help out"?
Are we talking £50 or something. I'd want it floating first.
Apparently there have been people interested in refloating and sorting/scrapping it so we may have competition !
Might have to go up to £75.
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Post by kris on Dec 9, 2017 15:46:50 GMT
"A small sum to help out"? Are we talking £50 or something. I'd want it floating first. Apparently there have been people interested in refloating and sorting/scrapping it so we may have competition ! Might have to go up to £75. they aren't going to let someone cut it up where it is, so I'd say the cost of refloating and towing to a suitable place will far outway any value the vessal has.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 16:14:31 GMT
I suspect it will in fact be dismantled where it is. At least partially. There is pretty good access around it at lower states of tide. Thats got to be the cheapest solution . at least get the superstructure removed so it is easier to refloat the hull and tow that over the river for scrapping at the boatyard opposite. Either way its quite expensive and if its got asbestos or something in there then its Bad News but at the end of the day the council have an obligation to minimise the costs to tax payers. With a tower crane installed on the bank it could be a relatively simple procedure to take it apart. This is the boat location. Some (limited) vehicle access is available.
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