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Post by Jim on Jan 1, 2018 13:04:40 GMT
Is this an attempt to ridicule leavers by fabricating evidence? Desperate stuff! Some people may have actually believed it, but that does not mean it was even a minor part of most people's decisions. In reality the eu and successive uk governments have never worked together and have let down an enormous section of society to the benefit of the so-called intelligent. This supposedly intelligent contingent likes to blame an imaginary "feckless free loading" underclass for it's own problems, a situation that has not changed much for over 100 years. When all the ruling elite of the establishment, from big business to all main political parties lined up to recommend the status quo, and bearing in mind the mess of their lives elected politicians of all shades have deliberately made for generations, a great deal of people saw their chance to throw a spanner in the works. After all, they had nothing to loose other than continuation of a shite system that paints poor hard working people as a problem, despite them being the ones doing all of the useful work. Absolutely not. I was just making the point that a lot of lies were told by both sides which I also blame people like the BBC for failing to demonstrate that it was not true. Out of interest, what evidence do you feel I am fabricating??? The bbc did prove that the 350m was a lie, on several programmes. They took Boris to task over it, and despite being confronted with the truth, he continued to lie. That's tories for you!
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Post by Gone on Jan 1, 2018 13:13:37 GMT
Absolutely not. I was just making the point that a lot of lies were told by both sides which I also blame people like the BBC for failing to demonstrate that it was not true. Out of interest, what evidence do you feel I am fabricating??? The bbc did prove that the 350m was a lie, on several programmes. They took Boris to task over it, and despite being confronted with the truth, he continued to lie. That's tories for you! So if the BBC demonstrated it was a lie, they should have pointed this out EVERYTIME is was claimed. Lies (fake news as we now call it) have no place on our news channels without being challenged/corrected every time.
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Post by kris on Jan 1, 2018 13:13:54 GMT
Absolutely not. I was just making the point that a lot of lies were told by both sides which I also blame people like the BBC for failing to demonstrate that it was not true. Out of interest, what evidence do you feel I am fabricating??? The bbc did prove that the 350m was a lie, on several programmes. They took Boris to task over it, and despite being confronted with the truth, he continued to lie. That's tories for you! so you think this is the one issue, that people voted to leave over do you?
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Post by Gone on Jan 1, 2018 13:20:24 GMT
The bbc did prove that the 350m was a lie, on several programmes. They took Boris to task over it, and despite being confronted with the truth, he continued to lie. That's tories for you! so you think this is the one issue, that people voted to leave over do you? Don't know what went wrong, but my reply was a string of random letters. In answer - I do think it influenced some people, but people had their own reasons for voting the way that they did. I also remember Osbourne said that if we voted leave he would have an emergency budget and increase taxes to pay for it, which at best was trying to frighten people and at worst was another lie.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 1, 2018 13:25:06 GMT
Mandatory voting makes it harder for loonies to get in power, most people wouldn't spoil their paper but would vote in the middle ground. There would be a fine if you don't vote. Not voting is a form of voting. "None of the above" is a perfectly reasonable choice in a democracy.
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 1, 2018 13:27:44 GMT
Is this an attempt to ridicule leavers by fabricating evidence? Desperate stuff! Some people may have actually believed it, but that does not mean it was even a minor part of most people's decisions. In reality the eu and successive uk governments have never worked together and have let down an enormous section of society to the benefit of the so-called intelligent. This supposedly intelligent contingent likes to blame an imaginary "feckless free loading" underclass for it's own problems, a situation that has not changed much for over 100 years. When all the ruling elite of the establishment, from big business to all main political parties lined up to recommend the status quo, and bearing in mind the mess of their lives elected politicians of all shades have deliberately made for generations, a great deal of people saw their chance to throw a spanner in the works. After all, they had nothing to loose other than continuation of a shite system that paints poor hard working people as a problem, despite them being the ones doing all of the useful work. Absolutely not. I was just making the point that a lot of lies were told by both sides which I also blame people like the BBC for failing to demonstrate that it was not true. Out of interest, what evidence do you feel I am fabricating??? The fact is that this particular bare faced and obvious spin did nothing other than shine a light on the kind of sums it cost us, the tax payer, to remain part of the eu. Compared to all political parties, commentators, economists et all ganging together to present an picture of utter hopeless doom should we leave, it's just not worth a mention. The establishment lied to suite their own ends, the lack of respect shown for the electorate was awesome. They treated us like worthless idiot sheep.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 13:57:57 GMT
There was a massive amount of info produced by the 'stay camp' that was misleading as well. More difficult to spot but I remember a 'respected' economic forecast organisation predicting Brexit would cause x billion loss to UK economy, 2 weeks later they tripled the expected loss. If anyone thinks the experts are the ones in charge have a look at this...
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Post by IainS on Jan 1, 2018 17:00:22 GMT
Mandatory voting makes it harder for loonies to get in power, most people wouldn't spoil their paper but would vote in the middle ground. There would be a fine if you don't vote. Not voting is a form of voting. "None of the above" is a perfectly reasonable choice in a democracy. Provided it DOES mean "None of the above", and not "Can't be bovvered"
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Post by Andyberg on Jan 2, 2018 10:47:17 GMT
The thing that really concerns me is that whenever Mrs May is shown on the TV news returning to number 10, she knocks on the door, stands on the steps and waits for someone to let her back in!
How the feck are we meant to trust someone to get us the best Brexit deal when she can't even remember to take her front door key out with her? 🔑
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