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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 30, 2018 9:20:33 GMT
You need to read what I've said more carefully. Nowhere have I said or suggested that a boat 'jammed' in a lock could be carried over a nearby weir, and nor in fact is the raft of floating rubbish in question adjacent to any lock. I'm certainly not clutching at straws, whereas you undoubtedly have a very firm grasp on some serious confusion. You have a very firm grasp on a large bunch of them Tony. And you need to read what I actually wrote, you need to make up your mind which impending disaster is going to befall his boat. I have no interest in predicting 'disaster', and I haven't done so at any point. If you can't differentiate between that and drawing attention to things which could go wrong in any given set of circumstances, then there is, and has been, little or no point to your participation. Everything I've contributed to this thread is the product of many years of first hand experience of the floodgates in question, including the real and potential problems/hazards caused by the rubbish build-up that occurs on the river side of them every time they're put on. My first acquaintances with Cranfleet floodgates, and the potential problems that the build-up of rubbish at them can bring about, were back in the early 1960's when the Leicester based canal carriers I worked for after leaving school were bringing imported timber ex. Boston to Leicester by boat, and the most recent were with Bantam tugs and dredging hoppers/pans in the early 2000's. How do your credentials compare ?
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Post by kris on Jan 30, 2018 9:22:31 GMT
He's got a caravan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 9:35:19 GMT
You have a very firm grasp on a large bunch of them Tony. And you need to read what I actually wrote, you need to make up your mind which impending disaster is going to befall his boat. I have no interest in predicting 'disaster', and I haven't done so at any point. If you can't differentiate between that and drawing attention to things which could go wrong in any given set of circumstances, then there is, and has been, little or no point to your participation. Everything I've contributed to this thread is the product of many years of first hand experience of the floodgates in question, including the real and potential problems/hazards caused by the rubbish build-up that occurs on the river side of them every time they're put on. My first acquaintances with Cranfleet floodgates, and the potential problems that the build-up of rubbish at them can bring about, were back in the early 1960's when the Leicester based canal carriers I worked for after leaving school were bringing imported timber ex. Boston to Leicester by boat, and the most recent were with Bantam tugs and dredging hoppers/pans in the early 2000's. How do your credentials compare ? Stands back in awe....(well not really) Yes Mr. D we actually know all that, you mentioned it often enough on CWDF I seem to recall. It's all bloody academic now Tony, he's on the move. The whole thread has been nothing more than a storm in a tea cup.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 30, 2018 9:35:40 GMT
Anyway you will all be glad to here that it's broken up now and spread out along the cut. So I'll pen some of it down the lock then I should be able to move. While you're still there, and before moving your boat, I'd be inclined to get all the paddles at Cranfleet Lock up for a couple of hours to draw as much of the rubbish as possible all the way down the cut to the lock. It's going to finish up there in the end anyway, so it might as well be flushed out back into the river in as big a quantities as possible, instead of in dribs and drabs over a longer period.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 9:37:24 GMT
Indeed I have Kris, but it doesn't come to a halt when there is a few twigs on the road while I wait for somebody else to come and sweep them up.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 30, 2018 9:45:53 GMT
I have no interest in predicting 'disaster', and I haven't done so at any point. If you can't differentiate between that and drawing attention to things which could go wrong in any given set of circumstances, then there is, and has been, little or no point to your participation. Everything I've contributed to this thread is the product of many years of first hand experience of the floodgates in question, including the real and potential problems/hazards caused by the rubbish build-up that occurs on the river side of them every time they're put on. My first acquaintances with Cranfleet floodgates, and the potential problems that the build-up of rubbish at them can bring about, were back in the early 1960's when the Leicester based canal carriers I worked for after leaving school were bringing imported timber ex. Boston to Leicester by boat, and the most recent were with Bantam tugs and dredging hoppers/pans in the early 2000's. How do your credentials compare ? Stands back in I awe....(well not really) Yes Mr. D we actually know all that, you mentioned it often enough on CWDF I seem to recall. It's all bloody academic now Tony, he's on the move. The whole thread has been nothing more than a storm in a tea cup. Something which is going to continue happening over and over again, every time the Trent floods badly enough for those floodgates to be put on in fact, is hardly a matter to be dismissed as 'academic', . . . except, of course, to those who have elected to swap their boat for a caravan.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 30, 2018 9:51:29 GMT
Indeed I have Kris, but it doesn't come to a halt when there is a few twigs on the road while I wait for somebody else to come and sweep them up. Congratulations, . . joint first prize with Nick for the thread's silliest remarks !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 10:18:25 GMT
Indeed I have Kris, but it doesn't come to a halt when there is a few twigs on the road while I wait for somebody else to come and sweep them up. Congratulations, . . joint first prize with Nick for the thread's silliest remarks ! Thank you - (it was a joke)
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 30, 2018 10:20:21 GMT
On the subject of overstaying, i called CRT yesterday morning and explained my starter had packed up, they put me through to the chap in charge of the canal and he issued me a two week overstay permit/thing to stick in the boat window. Couldn't have been more helpful. "Overstaying" is an imagined, nonsensensical product of the warped minds of the C&RT management. There is no common law or statutory basis which creates any such offence, or unlawful act. If C&RT are actually now issuing permits for it, then it's a classic example of corporate megalomania in action !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 10:21:50 GMT
Stands back in I awe....(well not really) Yes Mr. D we actually know all that, you mentioned it often enough on CWDF I seem to recall. It's all bloody academic now Tony, he's on the move. The whole thread has been nothing more than a storm in a tea cup. Something which is going to continue happening over and over again, every time the Trent floods badly enough for those floodgates to be put on in fact, is hardly a matter to be dismissed as 'academic', . . . except, of course, to those who have elected to swap their boat for a caravan. Given there are some other experienced boaters in the thread who don't seem to see it as an issue I'd still class it as academic. Worst case is if you really truly believe its actually 'unsafe' then just wait a short while for either someone else to go through and break it up or wait for it to disperse naturally rather than make a mountain out of a mole hill.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 10:34:35 GMT
On the subject of overstaying, i called CRT yesterday morning and explained my starter had packed up, they put me through to the chap in charge of the canal and he issued me a two week overstay permit/thing to stick in the boat window. Couldn't have been more helpful. "Overstaying" is an imagined, nonsensensical product of the warped minds of the C&RT management. There is no common law or statutory basis which creates any such offence, or unlawful act. If C&RT are actually now issuing permits for it, then it's a classic example of corporate megalomania in action ! Maybe, Maybe not, but i cant be arsed with getting emails or risking losing my boat/going to court over such a trivial thing. I have a piece of paper that will ensure i can rest easy for the next two weeks, no stress.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 30, 2018 10:56:52 GMT
On the subject of overstaying, i called CRT yesterday morning and explained my starter had packed up, they put me through to the chap in charge of the canal and he issued me a two week overstay permit/thing to stick in the boat window. Couldn't have been more helpful. "Overstaying" is an imagined, nonsensensical product of the warped minds of the C&RT management. There is no common law or statutory basis which creates any such offence, or unlawful act. If C&RT are actually now issuing permits for it, then it's a classic example of corporate megalomania in action ! No, your post is an imagined...etc (CBA). If you don’t have a home mooring, you have to move every 14 days. Unless there is a reasonable excuse not to. That of course is open to debate but those nice people at CRT would prefer you to have some certainty, so by issuing the notice it shows they agree with the “reasonable” test. So it is “overstaying” in the context of the 14 days, but clearly not “overstaying” in the eyes of the law. It is a helpful thing for CRT to do, reduces stress etc. But of course no matter what they do, you will find a way to twist it against them. I’m sure if RP himself donated half his salary to your beer fund, you would find that to be evil for some imagined reason.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 30, 2018 10:58:32 GMT
The thread provided a bit of entertainment anyway. True. And I think you have been having therapy - successfully. I didn’t detect many wild raging tantrums despite us provoking you a little. Definitely an improvement, well done.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 30, 2018 10:59:37 GMT
Anyway you will all be glad to here that it's broken up now and spread out along the cut. So I'll pen some of it down the lock then I should be able to move. I think it was probably your Moses aura. Perhaps you just shouted at it and it parted?
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Post by kris on Jan 30, 2018 11:47:58 GMT
The thread provided a bit of entertainment anyway. True. And I think you have been having therapy - successfully. I didn’t detect many wild raging tantrums despite us provoking you a little. Definitely an improvement, well done. Twat
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