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Post by NigelMoore on Feb 5, 2018 14:56:57 GMT
There is a 12v group on Facebook that may be able to help you with that. See that Nick? Jenlyn can be positive.
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Post by bills on Feb 5, 2018 15:16:25 GMT
There is a 12v group on Facebook that may be able to help you with that. See that Nick? Jenlyn can be positive. We can all be positive. All we need to do is lose some electrons.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 5, 2018 16:58:25 GMT
yes it's still on but between Nick and Martin. It will never end between Martin and any/everybody else. He will say anything to provoke an argument, doesn’t matter on what subject. Not at all like you then?
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 5, 2018 18:12:50 GMT
It will never end between Martin and any/everybody else. He will say anything to provoke an argument, doesn’t matter on what subject. Not at all like you then? Correct. One of the problems with this and other such sites is that the groupthink is all powerful. If you should dare to have an opinion different from the groupthink folk can’t comprehend it. How could someone possibly have a different view? The only explanation is that they must just be posting in an antagonising marrer to get a reaction. Phew, now we can understand it and our ground remains firm. Groupthink is saved! Rather sad really.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 5, 2018 18:17:06 GMT
Not at all like you then? Correct. One of the problems with this and other such sites is that the groupthink is all powerful. If you should dare to have an opinion different from the groupthink folk can’t comprehend it. How could someone possibly have a different view? The only explanation is that they must just be posting in an antagonising marrer to get a reaction. Phew, now we can understand it and our ground remains firm. Groupthink is saved! Rather sad really. It would have been easier to have said "Everybody else is right and I am wrong".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 18:20:54 GMT
Not at all like you then? Correct. One of the problems with this and other such sites is that the groupthink is all powerful. If you should dare to have an opinion different from the groupthink folk can’t comprehend it. How could someone possibly have a different view? The only explanation is that they must just be posting in an antagonising marrer to get a reaction. Phew, now we can understand it and our ground remains firm. Groupthink is saved! Rather sad really. I have to say Nick you are well wide of the mark. Groupthink my arse. The reason you have your knickers in a twist is because you made (and are continuing to make) a bit of a Pratt of yourself. There is enough hot air in your posts to get Branson successfully around the world in a hot air balloon. A very good set of character traits is to be able accept you were wrong, apologise to those who you slighted and move on. On the face of it you are utterly incapable of managing a simple thing like that. Mores the pity. Hence you going round and round in ever decreasing circles trying to prove against all odds you are correct and everyone else is thick, brainwashed, illiterate delate as applicable. Here's one last thought for you though. The near perfect man was (allegedly) nailed to a cross, what chance do the rest of us have?
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Post by kris on Feb 5, 2018 18:21:43 GMT
Correct. One of the problems with this and other such sites is that the groupthink is all powerful. If you should dare to have an opinion different from the groupthink folk can’t comprehend it. How could someone possibly have a different view? The only explanation is that they must just be posting in an antagonising marrer to get a reaction. Phew, now we can understand it and our ground remains firm. Groupthink is saved! Rather sad really. It would have been easier to have said "Everybody else is right and I am wrong". thats about all he does say, oh that and look how clever I am.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 5, 2018 18:25:12 GMT
Correct. One of the problems with this and other such sites is that the groupthink is all powerful. If you should dare to have an opinion different from the groupthink folk can’t comprehend it. How could someone possibly have a different view? The only explanation is that they must just be posting in an antagonising marrer to get a reaction. Phew, now we can understand it and our ground remains firm. Groupthink is saved! Rather sad really. It would have been easier to have said "Everybody else is right and I am wrong". It would have been easier, but it wouldn’t have been right or relevant.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 18:26:52 GMT
Perhaps thinking in terms of right or wrong is the real issue. Just accept differing views are valid and acceptable, even when one doesn't agree. There is no win or lose, we all just spout unimportant nonsense, and I really do mean all. Don't let it upset you Rog
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 18:36:00 GMT
Perhaps thinking in terms of right or wrong is the real issue. Just accept differing views are valid and acceptable, even when one doesn't agree. There is no win or lose, we all just spout unimportant nonsense, and I really do mean all. Don't let it upset you Rog NO! You were very right to state your views on the first post that you found unacceptable. If everyone accepted all differing views are valid and acceptable then we are back to whoever is the 'strongest' wins.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 5, 2018 18:38:43 GMT
Correct. One of the problems with this and other such sites is that the groupthink is all powerful. If you should dare to have an opinion different from the groupthink folk can’t comprehend it. How could someone possibly have a different view? The only explanation is that they must just be posting in an antagonising marrer to get a reaction. Phew, now we can understand it and our ground remains firm. Groupthink is saved! Rather sad really. A very good set of character traits is to be able accept you were wrong, apologise to those who you slighted and move on. On the face of it you are utterly incapable of managing a simple thing like that. Mores the pity. Hence you going round and round in ever decreasing circles trying to prove against all odds you are correct and everyone else is thick, brainwashed, illiterate delate as applicable. In what way was I wrong, who did I slight? I offered an opinion in answer to a question posed in a thread title, and gave my reasons. In this sort of case an opinion is neither right nor wrong, it is just an opinion. I would have been quite happy to have debated the merits of my opinion on the matter, and that of others. But instead we got a series of stupid posts claiming I had said something that I hadn't said. Even when I several times explained my point, I still received abusive replies accusing me of saying something I hadn’t said. So I can see no place (in this particilaur circumstance) where I was wrong, and the people I slighted were the people who lied and misrepresented me, either deliberately or through carelessness and laziness. Perhaps your integrity is of no importance to you, but for me it is. When I am misrepresented repeatedly, in the face of my vigorous explanations, and especially when the thing I am accused of saying is so patently stupid and inappropriate, I will defend myself strongly. If you don’t think that is a correct way to carry on well I can only assume it is because your personal integrity is of no importance to you. The only thing I am trying to prove “correct” is what I posted in the early part of the thread. Of course people like you can’t be bothered to actually read it, you just see a battle and wade in for a piece of the action without regard to the issues. Maybe less groupthink and more wolf pack. Of course the bigger shame is that the thread was ruined and we were unable to discuss the issues.
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Post by kris on Feb 5, 2018 18:41:25 GMT
Your still digging then Nick?
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 5, 2018 18:42:02 GMT
Perhaps thinking in terms of right or wrong is the real issue. Just accept differing views are valid and acceptable, even when one doesn't agree. There is no win or lose, we all just spout unimportant nonsense, and I really do mean all. Don't let it upset you Rog If that is aimed at me, once again I’ll say that it has nothing to do with whether my opinion is right or wrong and in fact I would say there is no intrinsic “right answer” for issues such as this. However when I make a post that is then totally misrepresented in a prolonged and nasty way, despite my protestations and explanations, the issue becomes whether my view is what I say it is, or what the groupthink wolf pack demand it is. In that instance, I am by definition right since only I know what is in my mind.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 5, 2018 18:43:14 GMT
Your still digging then Nick? When someone bothers to make a longish post giving “advice” (I use the term loosely!) it is courteous to reply. Not that you would understand that concept.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 18:43:21 GMT
A very good set of character traits is to be able accept you were wrong, apologise to those who you slighted and move on. On the face of it you are utterly incapable of managing a simple thing like that. Mores the pity. Hence you going round and round in ever decreasing circles trying to prove against all odds you are correct and everyone else is thick, brainwashed, illiterate delate as applicable. In what way was I wrong, who did I slight? I offered an opinion in answer to a question posed in a thread title, and gave my reasons. In this sort of case an opinion is neither right nor wrong, it is just an opinion. I would have been quite happy to have debated the merits of my opinion on the matter, and that of others. But instead we got a series of stupid posts claiming I had said something that I hadn't said. Even when I several times explained my point, I still received abusive replies accusing me of saying something I hadn’t said. So I can see no place (in this particilaur circumstance) where I was wrong, and the people I slighted were the people who lied and misrepresented me, either deliberately or through carelessness and laziness. Perhaps your integrity is of no importance to you, but for me it is. When I am misrepresented repeatedly, in the face of my vigorous explanations, and especially when the thing I am accused of saying is so patently stupid and inappropriate, I will defend myself strongly. If you don’t think that is a correct way to carry on well I can only assume it is because your personal integrity is of no importance to you. The only thing I am trying to prove “correct” is what I posted in the early part of the thread. Of course people like you can’t be bothered to actually read it, you just see a battle and wade in for a piece of the action without regard to the issues. Maybe less groupthink and more wolf pack. Of course the bigger shame is that the thread was ruined and we were unable to discuss the issues. QED 👍
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