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Post by Telemachus on Feb 5, 2018 18:45:49 GMT
Perhaps thinking in terms of right or wrong is the real issue. Just accept differing views are valid and acceptable, even when one doesn't agree. There is no win or lose, we all just spout unimportant nonsense, and I really do mean all. Don't let it upset you Rog NO! You were very right to state your views on the first post that you found unacceptable. If everyone accepted all differing views are valid and acceptable then we are back to whoever is the 'strongest' wins. NO! Firstly, the problem arose because people misinterpreted what I wrote and refused to change their interpretation. And secondly, differing views are valid and acceptable. Whether they are “nice”, “right” etc is then the matter for debate. If you don’t like to hear views different from yours then shame on you, and back to CWDF 2016 for you!
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 5, 2018 18:46:47 GMT
In what way was I wrong, who did I slight? I offered an opinion in answer to a question posed in a thread title, and gave my reasons. In this sort of case an opinion is neither right nor wrong, it is just an opinion. I would have been quite happy to have debated the merits of my opinion on the matter, and that of others. But instead we got a series of stupid posts claiming I had said something that I hadn't said. Even when I several times explained my point, I still received abusive replies accusing me of saying something I hadn’t said. So I can see no place (in this particilaur circumstance) where I was wrong, and the people I slighted were the people who lied and misrepresented me, either deliberately or through carelessness and laziness. Perhaps your integrity is of no importance to you, but for me it is. When I am misrepresented repeatedly, in the face of my vigorous explanations, and especially when the thing I am accused of saying is so patently stupid and inappropriate, I will defend myself strongly. If you don’t think that is a correct way to carry on well I can only assume it is because your personal integrity is of no importance to you. The only thing I am trying to prove “correct” is what I posted in the early part of the thread. Of course people like you can’t be bothered to actually read it, you just see a battle and wade in for a piece of the action without regard to the issues. Maybe less groupthink and more wolf pack. Of course the bigger shame is that the thread was ruined and we were unable to discuss the issues. QED 👍 I used to think you were ok.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 18:47:55 GMT
Once I've worked out how to post your post that really kicked things off I'll post it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 18:50:26 GMT
I used to think you were ok. That's a bizarre statement. In no way have I changed my views opinions or writing style - it's not as if I've ever (or am likely to for that matter) played to the crowd is it? As far as I can see you are trying to push the limits of what many people find acceptable. To what gain or goal I am not sure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 18:51:33 GMT
I used to think you were ok. Now your really making yourself look stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 18:53:50 GMT
Perhaps thinking in terms of right or wrong is the real issue. ust accept differing views are valid and acceptable, even when one doesn't agree. There is no win or lose, we all just spout unimportant nonsense, and I really do mean all. Don't let it upset you Rog NO! You were very right to state your views on the first post that you found unacceptable. If everyone accepted all differing views are valid and acceptable then we are back to whoever is the 'strongest' wins. Poor choice of words by me, sorry. I have no problem with the views I stated, and my motivation was honest and instinctive. However (and this is getting tiresome for me now, so some of you will no doubt be sick of hearing me) my initial response was that two childless men were not the ideal candidates to advise others on this issue. That I took objection to some of the words posted by others, I cannot deny, but I have at no point abused, insulted or denigrated the poster. It is this reaction by others that ruins the discussion on any given topic. I am entirely happy with my posts. I am entirely happy for others to have opposing views, even if the view is merely, I am right I am disappointed with the insults and abuse, but others can judge what is written. That's the Thunderboat way isn't it ? Rog
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 18:55:32 GMT
Can't work out how to copy post from one thread to another, but this was what pissed me off.
Feb 2, 2018 at 9:49pm Posted by Nick.
If your children have been abused, you have already “let them down”. Making a huge public unlawful fuss about it afterwards just makes it worse.
Now how would a normal person interpret that? Before that the thread was just an exchange of views.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 5, 2018 18:58:49 GMT
Once I've worked out how to post your post that really kicked things off I'll post it. Presumably it was the first one in the “would you do the same” thread. I wanted to point out that traumas of paedophilia were a social construction that made the victim feel worse (increased their “victimness”). In particular that the more public fuss is made, the worse it is for the victim. I also pointed out that the age of consent was a random thing - having sex with someone aged 15 years and 364 days is illegal, 1 day later it isn’t even though the person is not materially different nor more mature. I went on to say that regardless, I was of course in favour of having the age of consent as it is. Dogless was incensed because I had an opinion on the matter despite not having any children. It all went downhill from there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 18:59:02 GMT
NO! You were very right to state your views on the first post that you found unacceptable. If everyone accepted all differing views are valid and acceptable then we are back to whoever is the 'strongest' wins. Poor choice of words by me, sorry. Rog Apology accepted...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 18:59:51 GMT
By placing the statement in quotation marks we should all have realised that wasn't his view.
Sadly he didn't explain that until later.
Poor choice of words by him, but rather than chose more appropriate words, he calls us thick, liars etc etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 19:03:57 GMT
By placing the statement in quotation marks we should all have realised that wasn't his view. Sadly he didn't explain that until later. Poor choice of words by him, but rather than chose more appropriate words, he calls us thick, liars etc etc. Rog He made a Pratt of himself, chose to continue doing so, but accused everyone else of making him do this. He is narcissistic, and I firmly believe we as a group have to find a way of dealing with it, because Nick cannot.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 5, 2018 19:04:31 GMT
Can't work out how to copy post from one thread to another, but this was what pissed me off. Feb 2, 2018 at 9:49pm Posted by Nick.
If your children have been abused, you have already “let them down”. Making a huge public unlawful fuss about it afterwards just makes it worse.Now how would a normal person interpret that? Before that the thread was just an exchange of views. “Let them down” was in quotes. Thus it is different from let them down without quotes. The quotes were my way of showing it was how the parent felt as opposed to any reality. Perhaps I am quite wrong, but from my observations of parents whose children have suffered abuse at the hands of someone whom the parents trusted the safety of their children to, they tend to feel guilty. Despite the fact that it was no in any reasonable way their fault. It is just how parents tend to be wired - they should protect their kids and if that doesn’t work out, they tend to feel it’s their fault. Is it your contention that I’m wrong and that parents tend not to feel guilty when something bad happens to their kids unless they were directly responsible for it?
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 5, 2018 19:07:54 GMT
By placing the statement in quotation marks we should all have realised that wasn't his view. Sadly he didn't explain that until later. Poor choice of words by him, but rather than chose more appropriate words, he calls us thick, liars etc etc. Rog I explained it as soon as the misunderstanding was posted. I was angry because every time I post anything that is contrary to the groupthink it is pounced upon and misinterpreted, seemingly deliberately. Perhaps I had an unduly short fuse in this case but it is the product of this place. Anyway you had a strop with me right from the start because I dared to have a public opinion about children. By the time we got to the post you mention, I was already pissed off.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 5, 2018 19:11:13 GMT
I used to think you were ok. That's a bizarre statement. In no way have I changed my views opinions or writing style - it's not as if I've ever (or am likely to for that matter) played to the crowd is it? As far as I can see you are trying to push the limits of what many people find acceptable. To what gain or goal I am not sure. Then you see wrong and I resent you not actually bothering to read my carefully written post and just plonking a trite “QED”. Lazy and insulting, you are just enjoying being one of the pack. I had previously had you down as better than that. Apart from using the C word, exactly what have I posted that tries to push the limits of what people find acceptable? You are just chucking random accusations and insults around without any supporting facts or evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 19:11:28 GMT
Now would seem about the right time for this.
Enjoy Rog👍
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