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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 13:39:52 GMT
Thanks. Your pts to me that you believe your view is right and that opposing views are those of dumb rednecks trying to justify their Neanderthal actions. I am paraphrasing rather than quoting. I accept that isn't what you intended. Rog Your logic seems to be along the lines of “elephants are grey, therefore anything grey is an elephant”. Once again it seems that where there are choices of interpretation, by default you choose the one that you find the most offensive. At least this time we have been able to clear it up amicably. Oh and by the way, where you say “you believe your view is right” surely that is normal? Or do you often post views that you know are not right? Believing your post to be right at the time you post it, vs dismissing any other view as rubbish/wrong/unacceptable, are of course entirely different things. One accepts that others have a right to hold different views and have them respected, whilst at the same time feeling that one’s own view is right, surely? I always post my opinion. However I am rarely certain my opinion is right and everyone else is wrong. I would never abuse someone or seek to belittle them because they disagree. I am willing to accept I may be wrong. If I can remind you, in the previous thread I suggested that you and I being childless men, were the least qualified to expound our views on the subject. I maintain that view. Anything we say is theoretical. We are not qualified to walk a mile in that man's, or any other parents shoes. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 18:02:57 GMT
And if you recall, what kicked this all of was someone justifying trying to beat up the defendant in court so as no to let down their child. I can see some dumb redneck thinking that was a good idea, but in my opinion people who have suffered severe trauma tend to just want to curl up and avoid further embarrassment and publicity. It will have been hard enough for them to report the event and testify in court. The last thing they want is their father plastered all over the international news acting out some Neanderthal behaviour pattern. Not necessarily a redneck. This father could of been the kindest and most supporting father. This could of been the first time he had seen the abuser since finding out. Maybe the abuser had been sat ther laughing and saying he did no wrong. Who knows but in that situation no one can be 100 % sure of hot they might react. He .might just be an angry drunk. Gazza likes this because he fully agrees. Nick hates hearing this, but as he is not or unlikely ever to be a parent he won't ever be able to experience the emotions and feelings your child brings out in you. As Rog points out, it makes him wholly unqualified to pontificate about the actions of a father who's daughter had been abused. It is possible to be both intelligent and rational yet have those usual checks and limits to ones behaviour swept aside by the bond that ties you to your offspring. When all said and done the judge took the correct action with the father, she unlike Nick was able to see why rational thought and behaviour had temporarily left the father hence not slinging him in jail. I'm surprised Nick also took my phrase 'Cave his head in' at it's most literal meaning. Perhaps he's never seen Die Hard: With A Vengeance?
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 7, 2018 21:36:05 GMT
Not necessarily a redneck. This father could of been the kindest and most supporting father. This could of been the first time he had seen the abuser since finding out. Maybe the abuser had been sat ther laughing and saying he did no wrong. Who knows but in that situation no one can be 100 % sure of hot they might react. He .might just be an angry drunk. Nick hates hearing this, but as he is not or unlikely ever to be a parent he won't ever be able to experience the emotions and feelings your child brings out in you. As Rog points out, it makes him wholly unqualified to pontificate about the actions of a father who's daughter had been abused. When all said and done the judge took the correct action with the father, she unlike Nick was able to see why rational thought and behaviour had temporarily left the father hence not slinging him in jail. Not sure why I’m bothering to reply, but I disagree. Paras 1 and 2 - the lack of emotional involvement makes me far better qualified to comment than you. This, for example, is why doctors/nurses are not allowed to treat their friends and relatives. Emotional involvement makes for sub-optimal behaviour and responses. Of course if the question was “was his behaviour understandable” then the answer was possibly yes. But the question was what would you do, and my answer was based on what was best for the victim, not what was best for the ego of the father. Para 3 - the yanks are far more into vengeance, retribution and “an eye for an eye” than we are. Let’s remember they are only a few years away from routine lynchings. If he had pulled the same stunt in the U.K., he would have been jailed. And rightly so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 21:48:11 GMT
Nick hates hearing this, but as he is not or unlikely ever to be a parent he won't ever be able to experience the emotions and feelings your child brings out in you. As Rog points out, it makes him wholly unqualified to pontificate about the actions of a father who's daughter had been abused. When all said and done the judge took the correct action with the father, she unlike Nick was able to see why rational thought and behaviour had temporarily left the father hence not slinging him in jail. If he had pulled the same stunt in the U.K., he would have been jailed. And rightly so. In the present climate, I doubt that very much. As to being rightly so, don't be such a donut.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 7, 2018 21:54:27 GMT
If he had pulled the same stunt in the U.K., he would have been jailed. And rightly so. In the present climate, I doubt that very much. As to being rightly so, don't be such a donut. You underestimate the self-importance of the legal system. It is their trainset and they wouldn’t want riff-raff taking things into their own hands. They want to be in control.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 22:21:45 GMT
Not necessarily a redneck. This father could of been the kindest and most supporting father. This could of been the first time he had seen the abuser since finding out. Maybe the abuser had been sat ther laughing and saying he did no wrong. Who knows but in that situation no one can be 100 % sure of hot they might react. He .might just be an angry drunk. Gazza likes this because he fully agrees. Nick hates hearing this, but as he is not or unlikely ever to be a parent he won't ever be able to experience the emotions and feelings your child brings out in you. As Rog points out, it makes him wholly unqualified to pontificate about the actions of a father who's daughter had been abused. It is possible to be both intelligent and rational yet have those usual checks and limits to ones behaviour swept aside by the bond that ties you to your offspring. When all said and done the judge took the correct action with the father, she unlike Nick was able to see why rational thought and behaviour had temporarily left the father hence not slinging him in jail. I'm surprised Nick also took my phrase 'Cave his head in' at it's most literal meaning. Perhaps he's never seen Die Hard: With A Vengeance? Dropping into 'redneck' mode for a sec. my favourite movie where a father takes out revenge for the harm done to his daughter is Bronson in Death Wish, the first one the sequels aren't any where near as good. An excellent if a little disturbing film.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 7, 2018 22:26:05 GMT
Gazza likes this because he fully agrees. Nick hates hearing this, but as he is not or unlikely ever to be a parent he won't ever be able to experience the emotions and feelings your child brings out in you. As Rog points out, it makes him wholly unqualified to pontificate about the actions of a father who's daughter had been abused. It is possible to be both intelligent and rational yet have those usual checks and limits to ones behaviour swept aside by the bond that ties you to your offspring. When all said and done the judge took the correct action with the father, she unlike Nick was able to see why rational thought and behaviour had temporarily left the father hence not slinging him in jail. I'm surprised Nick also took my phrase 'Cave his head in' at it's most literal meaning. Perhaps he's never seen Die Hard: With A Vengeance? Dropping into 'redneck' mode for a sec. my favourite movie where a father takes out revenge for the harm done to his daughter is Bronson in Death Wish, the first one the sequels aren't any where near as good. An excellent if a little disturbing film. Is that how you’d like things in this country to happen?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 22:36:01 GMT
Sorry Gazza I forgot to add, good post btw.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 22:46:02 GMT
I loved Mary Poppins.
Not the same levels of violence I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 10:58:31 GMT
Anyway, my mistake for trying to have something resembling an intelligent debate on here. People simply don't want it, they can't be bothered with it. I won't make the same mistake again. Back to CWDF for me for anything worth talking about. I'll just come on here to call you all a bunch of cunts. Which after all is all everyone else does on here. I obviously misinterpreted this post because I read it that you would just come here to call us ALL names? Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 15, 2018 11:04:01 GMT
Yes but I didn’t. Therefore you point fails.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 11:05:53 GMT
One should always be careful selecting words.
They can be tricky things, but you know that.
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