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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 22:40:31 GMT
As we left the boat we chatted to a guy that had a new boat built within the last two years.
For whatever reason, he elected to buy a Gardner 2LW engine for £15,000 to power it.
I struggle to comprehend the need to spend more than £8,000 to power a boat, based purely on aesthetics.
I fully accept that I'm a Philistine in this area, but it is a brand new shell we're talking about.
So you serious engine people......persuade me.
Where am I going wrong?
Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 4, 2018 22:46:39 GMT
Seems pointless to me, but I guess we're all different.
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Post by Andyberg on Feb 4, 2018 22:52:46 GMT
Makes me laugh how Gardeners have this fanatical / narrowboat engine 'must have' esteem to them...from my experience anything other than the twin pot ones are shit in a narrowboat but the boating fraternity seen to rave over them???
The number of folk that have asked if my R-H twin is a Gardner really pisses me off!
Back to the original post.... vintage engine in their own engine rooms rock!😂
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 22:55:02 GMT
I get the desire.....but the price.
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 4, 2018 23:31:20 GMT
As we left the boat we chatted to a guy that had a new boat built within the last two years. For whatever reason, he elected to buy a Gardner 2LW engine for £15,000 to power it. I struggle to comprehend the need to spend more than £8,000 to power a boat, based purely on aesthetics. I fully accept that I'm a Philistine in this area, but it is a brand new shell we're talking about. So you serious engine people......persuade me. Where am I going wrong? Rog I think you were wrong to encourage him to buy a Gardner when all he wanted was a Beta. He will have to live with that for years to come. Not nice.
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Post by patty on Feb 5, 2018 7:01:49 GMT
These vintage engines do sound nicer...but at that price you really have to be serious engine enthusiast... Actually yeah can see why when I think about it......
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Post by peterboat on Feb 5, 2018 8:55:03 GMT
Electric motors are the future especially at 15K for an old gennie engine
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 9:15:57 GMT
I was talking to a boat builder recently about electric powered boats, as his last couple of boats were electric powered and with very complex electrical systems.
He was musing whether or not electric propulsion isn't just a 'flavour of the month' thing and will tail off.
Boating does appear a very traditionalist pastime too (evidenced by my op).
Do you really think we'll reach a point soon that all new boats are electrically powered?
Rog
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Post by kris on Feb 5, 2018 9:27:56 GMT
Do you really think we'll reach a point soon that all new boats are electrically powered? Rog No because the mains leads will get tangled in the prop.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 5, 2018 16:00:51 GMT
Do you really think we'll reach a point soon that all new boats are electrically powered? Rog No because the mains leads will get tangled in the prop. couldn't you use those "curly" leads ?
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Post by Jim on Feb 6, 2018 11:31:25 GMT
been done before, tram style, with over head power cable. Need a flat cap made out of old innertube mind you, or some of us would be balder than we already are. Then again it might encourage hair regrowth..... I've seen other pics but this came up www.lowtechmagazine.com/2009/12/trolley-canal-boats.html
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Post by peterboat on Feb 6, 2018 13:07:17 GMT
I do think we will see more electric boats on the water, it will get to the stage when you fill up with diesel it will cost that much and the restrictions on where you can go, will give you no choice. The same pollution regs used for cars will be turned on boats and that will be the bitter end so to speak!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 14:03:59 GMT
A friend told me the other day that Beta have stopped selling the John Dere tractor engine for tugs, they called the Beta JD3 (they have one in their boat) because it does not comply with emissions regulations.
I understand also that regulations have changed affecting the installation of vintage engines into new shells, again because of emissions issues.
I remain unconvinced that current technology can replace diesel engines entirely, and I hope it cannot until long after I have ceased boating.
Rog
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Post by bargemast on Feb 6, 2018 14:56:47 GMT
Technology is progressing, but I don't think that it's often for the better.
They say fuel economy, less pollution and stuff like that.
I was just watching a problem on a fairly recent fuel efficient engine, they have adaptable valvetiming, very clever and really nice when it's brand new, but when it's a bit older, and problems arrive, of course it's all electronically controled, only very few people are able to fix these (and other electronic related problems) and even the dealers of these cars don't know what to do and just change parts until it works again, that is because some of these problems can't be traced, not even with all their computers connected.
For me there's nothing better than a simple straight forward old diesel, on which you can still do (almost) everything yourself, and without costing a fortune.
Look at the difference in price between the electronic injectors and the old fashionned ones, you won't believe your eyes and think they mis-understood what you asked for, and are trying to sell you a complete engine, but no, that's only the price of some new injectors.
The big people the decision takers, that don't have to worry about expenses, for them it's all so easy to say that one isn't allowed to use an older vehicle anymore, they don't know, or better don't want to know that many won't be able to run a car anymore.
Of course that's not a problem for the deciders, it's the people that can't pay for all this new crap own fault, they should have become politicians themselfs, and wouldn't have been faced with these minor details, or they should have got themselfs a staff function being present at a C&RT office (see that I didn't write "work" at a C&RT office ?).
It's often a drag getting old (as the Stones said many years ago), but I'm often quite happy not to be 20 years of age anymore, as I may sound like a pessimist (which I'm definitely not), but I don't like the looks of the future much.
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 15:19:30 GMT
Our car is a twenty year old Polo as we spend (usually) nine months on the boat each year, there seems little point spending on a new car to leave it in the garage. We dread having to replace it with all the modern computer chipped controls, warning lights, engine cut outs, and automatic lights and wipers that new cars have. Seems a recipe for undiagnosable problems as these cars get older, making the second hand car market even riskier. Perhaps we're just old grumps (but of course you're much older than me ) Rog
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