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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 17, 2019 9:24:05 GMT
I think more importantly, how many stabbings do we think have occurred in the history of the Notting Hill carnival? Maybe we should research that first? Not something I've followed, but surely there are statistics somewhere? Or are they being deliberately hidden?! I would be interested to know by whom, and for what reasons.Indeed, we are all a mix of different cultures in the first place. It’s great that every country had it’s own perceived culture too. It would be boring if we were all the same. Cultures/peoples have been mixing since the Dawn if Time but in small quantities 'around the margins'. Having half of Eastern Europe literally flood into the UK is not a gradual mingling, more like an invasion. As with the British Empire in India - Indians and Pakistanis didn't just come here one by one through work or marriage or by a quirk of fate, a whole bundle of them came in very quickly.
Becoming the same..... are we?.... when asked what Swedes eat the answer is "Hamburgers and pizza!"If you’d read my views on the EU Foxy, they are nothing to do with culture. In fact I agree with the idealism of a united Europe, even a united Earth. But then won't all our different cultures vanish eventually, and we will all become one amorphous glob of mixed genes? It would be interesting to be able to come back in, say, the year 5,000 and study the history of what happened after 2019. But I shall be snuffit. I do get a wry smile out of the fact that my skellington will still be going round the Earth once a day at 25,000mph, and round the Sun once a year at 67,000 miles per hour!Time to wheel this one out again!
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Post by JohnV on Feb 17, 2019 9:26:03 GMT
It’s not about words, it’s about behaviour and actions. That’s why I read everything with a pinch of salt. The papers portray a warped view of reality. excellent point and one I agree with totally ...... we are often fed what "they" wish us to think. As someone (I think maybe Andrew) has on occasion reminded us ...... I might be paranoid but that doesn't mean that someone isn't out to get me"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 9:33:19 GMT
It’s not about words, it’s about behaviour and actions. That’s why I read everything with a pinch of salt. The papers portray a warped view of reality. excellent point and one I agree with totally ...... we are often fed what "they" wish us to think. As someone (I think maybe Andrew) has on occasion reminded us ...... I might be paranoid but that doesn't mean that someone isn't out to get me" I freely admit I’m paranoid...it’s much easer that way!
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 17, 2019 9:36:50 GMT
With all the censorship in this country it’s very difficult to get a true picture of reality. I wonder how long it will be before we no longer get access to web sites like this.... Ha - I thought you meant Thunderboat! I bet they don't have this kind of thing in China or Saudi Arabia! Here in the UK you see the freedoms that have been fought for, over the centuries, in action, the freedom to express oneself. I think this sort of thing is good, but I am certain that more monitoring by computers/machines will be arriving to shut down 'free thinking' in the future. It is already here to an extent, with Internet filters, and for the 'ordinary man on the street' to be unable to get through to Government ministers (heavily protected by bodyguards) and big corporations (heavily protected by not giving out their contact details, or having someone at a desk fob you off). Of course, people on boating sites aren't a threat to anyone, it's all discussion and mostly about the subject (boating), with mild encroaching on News of the Day items. And giving people the illusion of freedom keeps them happy and docile. Who knows, the snoops at GCHQ may even be having a giggle at the Stabby - Tony Dunkley circus - much more interesting than their usual routine of intercepting e-mails.
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Post by dyertribe on Feb 17, 2019 10:17:32 GMT
protection of others from what she is/was has to come above her self inflicted problems ....... a society that does not protect it's members is a society that will fail eta she ceased to be a member of the society she was born into when she joined another one with non compatible views The 'needs/safety' of the many should be put above the 'needs' of the one... If ISIS had succeeded in their aims would she be looking at returning to the UK?..I don't know If they let her back would she abide by the laws of our land? agree to be monitored? or would she claim that her human rights are compromised ..can someone whose radicalised re-integrate back into society and who accepts the burden of responsibility for that decision? It is so sad that a young girl's life has been so altered by a decision she made at 15 and I'm sure her family are devastated but I just do not see how there can be any 'Happy ever after ending to this' Isn’t it more about the message allowing her back would send? Might it not give other vulnerable 15 year olds the confidence that they too can run away to these awful places but be allowed back later when they don’t like it anymore?
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Post by JohnV on Feb 17, 2019 10:50:35 GMT
as Patty said earlier ..... I'm glad though that I am not the one with the responsibility to make the decision
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 17, 2019 12:53:33 GMT
Never mind ISIS, looking at road rage videos it looks like Brits want to kill each other! You have to laugh. rate-driver.co.uk/HG60JKF
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Post by dyertribe on Feb 17, 2019 13:18:30 GMT
Just heard on the radio news that she has now had the baby
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 17, 2019 13:37:12 GMT
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 17, 2019 14:35:06 GMT
Here's a possible solution: Given that her son was born in Syria, he's Syrian, and has no right to come to Britain. Britain could show compassion to Shamima, give her a second chance, allow her to go 'home', should she so choose. Naturally her son has no such right so should stay behind, maybe go to an orphanage in Syria. Let's be compassionate as a country, and give Shamima that choice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 14:44:13 GMT
as Patty said earlier ..... I'm glad though that I am not the one with the responsibility to make the decision I'd say it's a no brainer for all sorts of reason, I suspect her lawyer will be rubbing his hands in glee, I'll bet my boots he's tarred with the same brush.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 14:48:04 GMT
Here's a possible solution: Given that her son was born in Syria, he's Syrian, and has no right to come to Britain. Britain could show compassion to Shamima, give her a second chance, allow her to go 'home', should she so choose. Naturally her son has no such right so should stay behind, maybe go to an orphanage in Syria. Let's be compassionate as a country, and give Shamima that choice. I think the babe could be less trouble than the mother, so baby can come back, I'll adopt him, get the 'benefits' in to place and give it a non christian home. I wonder if it makes difference if it's a boy, or if it's a girl.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 17, 2019 15:19:46 GMT
Here's a possible solution: Given that her son was born in Syria, he's Syrian, and has no right to come to Britain. Britain could show compassion to Shamima, give her a second chance, allow her to go 'home', should she so choose. Naturally her son has no such right so should stay behind, maybe go to an orphanage in Syria. Let's be compassionate as a country, and give Shamima that choice. I think the babe could be less trouble than the mother, so baby can come back, I'll adopt him, get the 'benefits' in to place and give it a non christian home. I wonder if it makes difference if it's a boy, or if it's a girl. I think if the child stays with his mother, we can more or less guarantee that he will be trouble in the future.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 17, 2019 16:58:38 GMT
Here's a possible solution: Given that her son was born in Syria, he's Syrian, and has no right to come to Britain. Britain could show compassion to Shamima, give her a second chance, allow her to go 'home', should she so choose. Naturally her son has no such right so should stay behind, maybe go to an orphanage in Syria. Let's be compassionate as a country, and give Shamima that choice. Nah - I think the obvious thing to do is bring her back to the UK, on the conditions I set out earlier - she'd have to live away from the influences she's been exposed to before, and prove herself to be willing to integrate and do her bit as far as working and paying taxes go. The question is, has she been 'radicalised' and who dun it - her parents? Perhaps they are the ones who should be deported? After she has been brought back and given the chance to live in an honest way (under some supervision), the UK should announce publicly that she is the last case for this sort of thing, anyone else going to a war zone to kill (or assist the killing of) UK citizens will not be brought back. I think that is a simple remedy. It's just that the newspapers/medja will have to come up with something else to quell the anger that is rising and the guillotine-building for March 29th! I'm betting several politicians will be conveniently away on holiday around the end of March, eh? Could we have a new law quickly made up stating any UK politician out of the country between March 25th - April 15th will be stripped of their UK nationality and not be allowed back in??!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 17:16:23 GMT
Fox, you are idealising, that's never going to happen, she's manipulative and evil, let her stay away from decent people, let her stay in some God-forsaken internment camp, she deserves no better. I would be absolutely enraged if she came back to reap the benefits, and to encourage other terrorists, for she is a terrorist, whether she has beheaded anyone or not.
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