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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 17:34:20 GMT
It was a broad canal but with little wide 12' traffic, had the ambitious expansion plans of the '30s come off we would have had an established and historical method for working wide craft for getting on for 80 years - predating the current ring and book 48 hours in advance by some time! But it didn’t, and so your point is just irrelevant smokescreen. It's widebeam now, and will continue to be so. The fact that widebeams are much more sumptuous than your fake rivet hudson rabbit probably make you feel inadequate. Rightly so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 17:36:33 GMT
Of course it does, it has no bearing if you are trying (and failing) to win an argument on the internet. You specifically said the Grand Union was not designed as a fully broad canal. You were wrong - again. The Grand Junction was not designed as a fully broad canal. A significant difference in statements of fact. Read again what those men planned getting on for 90 years ago. It was specifically planned to improve the route to a broad canal. That it didn't fully come to fruition is academic It is semantics. The canal that is now the grand union was not designed as a fully broad canal, that is the relevant point. Yes some bureaucrats in 1930 rebadged the several canals into the GU and had a vision - but the vision didn’t materialise and so your point is irrelevant to fat boats in Blisworth tunnel. Semantics? Coming from you?! It's hard historical fact that there has been wide boat traffic on the Grand Junction and laterally Grand Union for a fair while prior to those that have a problem with craft >7' have had a platform such as the internet and C&RT to spread misinformation and nonsense.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 15, 2018 17:37:04 GMT
But it didn’t, and so your point is just irrelevant smokescreen. It's widebeam now, and will continue to be so. The fact that widebeams are much more sumptuous than your fake rivet hudson rabbit probably make you feel inadequate. Rightly so. It can take semi-fat boats but not full fat boats.
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Post by kris on Feb 15, 2018 17:37:36 GMT
I think they probably are. But that is probably because most people buy widebeams as floating homes, whereas more people buy narrowboats to use the system as intended - for cruising! But before you get all frothy, I don’t count your fat boat in that lot as you are on essentially wide waterways originally designed for wide boats. The Grand Union was not designed as a wide beam canal, but is being cluttered up with fat boats that moor in stupid places, whose owners can’t really drive and like to pretend they live on a housing estate - not really interested in canals except as a cheap place to live. Of course, there are exceptions. i can't really comment on widebeam usage on the Grand Union as I haven't seen it for myself. I've seen the increased number of new widebeams that have been built. But that's hardly a new phenomenon. CaRT seem to have been happy to liscence these boats. It seems to me more like, they are creating a problem to justify charging widebeams more and at the same time demonising them( sorry I can't think of a better term.) this creates more division amongst boater, so distracting people from the real issues of declining maintenance and the selling off of property. I'm going to take the liberty of quoting myself as this post got lost in micks bullshit earlier on. But for me it contains the issue as I see it so can't be arsed to type it again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 17:41:20 GMT
It's widebeam now, and will continue to be so. The fact that widebeams are much more sumptuous than your fake rivet hudson rabbit probably make you feel inadequate. Rightly so. It can take semi-fat boats but not full fat boats. You know fuck all. If it wasn't for Jeff, you wouldn't even have a boat.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 17:43:28 GMT
But it didn’t, and so your point is just irrelevant smokescreen. It's widebeam now, and will continue to be so. The fact that widebeams are much more sumptuous than your fake rivet hudson rabbit probably make you feel inadequate. Rightly so. jenlyn likes this
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 17:43:41 GMT
Nick waffles:-
The canal already existed before 1931! It had wide locks but was designed thus for pairs of narrowboats. The concept of the “grand union” might have been new, but the canal already existed. It was just a rebadging exercise, and widening of locks after Braunston. The basic canal below Braunston was not altered. So if you want to be pedantic you could say that I should said “the canal that is now called the grand union” etc. But it has no bearing on the actual point.[/quote]
Your third sentence immediately made me think of dear old Alan Partridge.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 17:46:00 GMT
i can't really comment on widebeam usage on the Grand Union as I haven't seen it for myself. I've seen the increased number of new widebeams that have been built. But that's hardly a new phenomenon. CaRT seem to have been happy to liscence these boats. It seems to me more like, they are creating a problem to justify charging widebeams more and at the same time demonising them( sorry I can't think of a better term.) this creates more division amongst boater, so distracting people from the real issues of declining maintenance and the selling off of property. I'm going to take the liberty of quoting myself as this post got lost in micks bullshit earlier on. But for me it contains the issue as I see it so can't be arsed to type it again. Divide and rule? Nothing new under the sun. As you say a group of so-called boaters arguing with each other is not very constructive. We should be united against the common enemy
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 17:46:57 GMT
I'm going to take the liberty of quoting myself as this post got lost in micks bullshit earlier on. But for me it contains the issue as I see it so can't be arsed to type it again. Divide and rule? Nothing new under the sun. As you say a group of so-called boaters arguing with each other is not very constructive. We should be fighting together, against the common enemy Kathryn and Nick?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 17:51:14 GMT
Can anyone show me, where the existing system of booked early morning passage at Braunston and Blissworth has caused a problem?
I am unable to locate evidence of any problems, no wide beam or even narrow beam boaters I have spoken with have reported any problems, and the C&RT staff in the area seem to just accept it as one of their functions.
The only problem I have been made aware of is inconsiderate or simply obstructive mooring, but then all boats can be guilty of this.
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Post by kris on Feb 15, 2018 17:56:28 GMT
Can anyone show me, where the existing system of booked early morning passage at Braunston and Blissworth has caused a problem? I am unable to locate evidence of any problems, no wide beam or even narrow beam boaters I have spoken with have reported any problems, and the C&RT staff in the area seem to just accept it as one of their functions. The only problem I have been made aware of is inconsiderate or simply obstructive mooring, but then all boats can be guilty of this. Rog as I say I can't be sure there is a "widebeam" problem. I know a representative of the iwa was trawling facebook, trying to get people to moan about widebeams by asking loaded questions. This was maybe 18months ago, coincidence I think not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 17:58:14 GMT
That is my point, English is not your first language! Scottish - possibly. Anyway, that is only 3 quarters. Who was the 4th quarter - the milkman? Or are you just 3/4 of a person? We don't know who my mother's father is/was. It was her mother who was from Methlick, daughter of Robert Scott Morrison born 1847 New Deer, studied at Aberdeen University. He became the doctor at Methlick. One of his daughter's, Edith, married John Minto Robertson and he was Headmaster of Kemnay Secondary school from 1923 - 1948. He came to Kemnay from Turriff Secondary school where he had held the post of Classical Master, and he inherited an outstanding level of teacher ability and pupil attainment - so it says in the book Tales O' the Maisters which I have here at home, published 1995. I have met Edith's daughter Margaret, and Margaret's son David, who is my 2nd-cousin. He lives in Perth. I found our 'long lost' relations in Trinidad (a brother of Edith's emigrated there and was some kind of Governor of the island), and have been in contact with them by e-mail and over the phone. Five years ago I almost flew to Trinidad/Tobago to meet them, but decided to go to Scotland instead and rummage some more in the archives in Edinburgh. It is these relations who have hinted that my mum's father was an Englishman - her mother had visited Trinidad twice, so perhaps it was an Englishman there? It would be interesting to know, as 'a quarter of me is him' - I sometimes wonder where I have got my sense of humour from - but I think there is no chance now of that ever coming to light. There are something like 19 graves/gravestones in Aberdeenshire that 'belong to me' as a living descendent - in Tullynessle, Keig, Monymusk, Methlick and possibly New Deer. Between 5 and 6 years ago I was driving all round Aberdeenshire doing family tree research, and I have the tale written and printed. I more or less exhausted all lines of enquiry. I found still-living relations of one sort or another up there - Rodger Morrison, Manager of Peterhead Football Club is my 3rd-cousin. Peterhead you say?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 17:58:53 GMT
I heard that there had been a collision inside the tunnel between a wide beam craft and a narrow beam craft resulting in multiple fatalities and several critically injired casualties. ambulance crews attended winched some of the seriously injured persons out of a ventilation shaft before transferring to the air ambulance. It was really bad apparently.
This may simply be a rumour.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 18:01:54 GMT
You think ? Rog I hate rumours
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Post by kris on Feb 15, 2018 18:03:30 GMT
I heard that there had been a collision inside the tunnel between a wide beam craft and a narrow beam craft resulting in multiple fatalities and several critically injired casualties. ambulance crews attended winched some of the seriously injured persons out of a ventilation shaft before transferring to the air ambulance. It was really bad apparently. This may simply be a rumour. suprising there's nothing about it, that sound Like a major incident.
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