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Post by thebfg on Feb 16, 2018 19:39:23 GMT
the pro-gun movement in the US believes that guns are essential for self-protection....... then why were all the pupils at the school not carrying guns, and why didn't they respond in kind? Obviously this is all their fault for being ill-equipped and untrained. Give 'em guns at birth is what I say. ............... oh, and the great leader stressed that the cause of the shooting was mental illness, nothing to do with guns apparently. Too late, it's already been said in the US that if the teachers were all armed and practised weekly they could have shot him. Presumably after he had shot 'only' a few kids. So I guess teaching job adverts will soon be requiring a degree in the subject taught and a 0.44 Magnum. Oh to live in the states........... I saw an interesting article that said there are many ex service man that are struggling to survive and everyone would be happy and proud to do their duty and be stationed in a school as armed security. However they food just ban automatic weapons.
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Post by patty on Feb 17, 2018 6:39:50 GMT
Did read they are considering demolishing the school..that'll distract from the real issue of gun control...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 7:23:44 GMT
To be fair if they demolish the school it means nobody can go in there and shoot pupils again. That's got to be a pretty good result.
Maybe all schools should be demolished?
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Post by JohnV on Feb 17, 2018 7:30:31 GMT
It is a slightly more confused picture than it often appears to us over here. Vermont is a small state with a low population but it's crime statistics show violent crime' to be only one third of the rate per hundred thousand population, compared to the average. There were 420 deaths cause by gun shot in the 6 year period up to 2016 of these 373 were suicides and 47 homicides. (all deaths by shooting are classed either as suicide or homicide, these being the only classifications on the cause of death forms) 339 of the suicides were white men shooting themselves. of the 47 homicides 5 were recorded as having been shot by police or law enforcement of the remaining 42, three were recorded as a husband and wife murder/suicide Now the kicker ...... Vermont has the lowest level of gun control in the whole of the United States !!! you don't need a permit to either buy, own or carry a gun in Vermont even concealed. Semi automatic and fully automatic weapons are allowed .... in fact the only forbidden firearm seems to be a zip gun (home made fire arm) virtually no background checks before purchase etc etc etc sounds nuts ...... but that's what the figures show !!! ago.vermont.gov/divisions/criminal-division/gun-laws.phpprojects.vpr.net/gunshots-vermont-gun-data
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 17, 2018 9:07:36 GMT
I think the bottom line is that the USA is awash with guns and people get shot a lot. The UK is not awash with a lot of guns and people do not get shot a lot.
Apart from my friend having 9 guns in her house, in my 8 trips to the USA I can't say I gave guns a second thought. Didn't see any gun trouble. I got the feeling that Americans are, in general, a friendly bunch. Perhaps it was just my accent that twisted things in our favour. Have been wondering if we can make a drive across the USA next year 2019, after completing the Pennine Way... or just around Montana, Wyoming and the North-West corner.
Go for a walk through Dewsbury (West Yorkshire) at night, then go for a walk through Manhattan (New York) at night. Which felt the more threatening?
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Post by patty on Feb 17, 2018 9:27:06 GMT
It is a slightly more confused picture than it often appears to us over here. Vermont is a small state with a low population but it's crime statistics show violent crime' to be only one third of the rate per hundred thousand population, compared to the average. There were 420 deaths cause by gun shot in the 6 year period up to 2016 of these 373 were suicides and 47 homicides. (all deaths by shooting are classed either as suicide or homicide, these being the only classifications on the cause of death forms) 339 of the suicides were white men shooting themselves. of the 47 homicides 5 were recorded as having been shot by police or law enforcement of the remaining 42, three were recorded as a husband and wife murder/suicide Now the kicker ...... Vermont has the lowest level of gun control in the whole of the United States !!! you don't need a permit to either buy, own or carry a gun in Vermont even concealed. Semi automatic and fully automatic weapons are allowed .... in fact the only forbidden firearm seems to be a zip gun (home made fire arm) virtually no background checks before purchase etc etc etc sounds nuts ...... but that's what the figures show !!! ago.vermont.gov/divisions/criminal-division/gun-laws.phpprojects.vpr.net/gunshots-vermont-gun-data Thats horrifying about the lack of gun control...seems as if they are just 'blind' to common sense...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 11:05:22 GMT
When I was in sixth form I drew some technical drawings for a zip-gun. Blank firing .22 size. I showed them to the CDT teacher and he said I could make it using the lathe at school. I copied it from a gun book I had. Fairly basic design.
Shortly after that I got too fed up with school and walked out before the end never to return. So I never got to make my zip gun.
It is a bit of a dodgy concealed weapon but you would never be able to slaughter 17 people with it from a distance...
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 17, 2018 11:19:01 GMT
You can piss into Haweswater in the Lake District, knowing that the good people in Manchester will be drinking it within a week.
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Post by bargemast on Feb 17, 2018 11:41:07 GMT
They are mad overthere, the worst of hypocrites you'll ever find anywhere. Here is a link to the terrible story of an old friend of mine that's almost unbelievable. You can buy guns, and kill people with-or without reason, but you can't make innocent photos of your own children. bunchfamily.ca/camping-trip-photos-trouble/Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 13:29:14 GMT
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Post by NigelMoore on Feb 17, 2018 15:06:55 GMT
When I was in sixth form I drew some technical drawings for a zip-gun. Blank firing .22 size. I showed them to the CDT teacher and he said I could make it using the lathe at school. A friend of mine designed and built his own single-shot handgun while an engineering apprentice [presumably after hours], chambered for .303 rifle cartridges. I have shot it during several Guy Fawkes and New Year’s Eve nights, and it made a most impressive bang accompanied by about 3 feet of flame from the barrel. There came a time when I was not prepared to use it again though; the barrel was developing a rather unsafe bulge. One hopes it has since been destroyed, for the shooter’s sake as much as any thing else, but I lost touch with him ages ago.
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Post by phil70 on Feb 17, 2018 22:13:13 GMT
I've just had an interesting time on a discussion forum with a yank who turned out to be a member of the NRA. It started to go downhill when I said it was America that caused the mass shooting because of the crazy gun laws. It went even faster downhill when I suggested they all thought they were still in the Wild West . He kinda got a bit mad and said England was full of Nazis with rape gangs raping thousands of young girls. He got even more upset when I told him that the USA had 480000 rape and sexual assault cases and oh yes over 13000 gun related deaths plus 26000 injuries for gunshot He then became overwhelmed with apolexy saying England was full of Moslem (sic) rapists. acid attackers sword wielding loonies who will mow you down without any hesitation and I should take care of my country and leave his alone. I think he got upset when he claimed that having a gun makes you safe and I said carrying a gun didn't help much with 9/11 or at the marathon bombing
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 0:40:21 GMT
I've just had an interesting time on a discussion forum with a yank who turned out to be a member of the NRA. It started to go downhill when I said it was America that caused the mass shooting because of the crazy gun laws. It went even faster downhill when I suggested they all thought they were still in the Wild West . He kinda got a bit mad and said England was full of Nazis with rape gangs raping thousands of young girls. He got even more upset when I told him that the USA had 480000 rape and sexual assault cases and oh yes over 13000 gun related deaths plus 26000 injuries for gunshot He then became overwhelmed with apolexy saying England was full of Moslem (sic) rapists. acid attackers sword wielding loonies who will mow you down without any hesitation and I should take care of my country and leave his alone. I think he got upset when he claimed that having a gun makes you safe and I said carrying a gun didn't help much with 9/11 or at the marathon bombing I take it his name was Trump?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 7:42:14 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 18, 2018 8:18:18 GMT
My mother once asked "Why are they showing this on Christmas Day?" - on the TV was Bridge Over the River Kwai and all you could hear was someone screaming "Kill him! Kill him! Kill him!"
Peace and Goodwill, eh?
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