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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 23:30:43 GMT
It depends on how shoddily you do it. Actually now I come to think of it we did get a plank effect rear bulkhead for that too. Not that that would be difficult or time consuming. You'd want sending up the road if you couldn't glue a washer on well and quickly. Without blowing ones trumpet, I don't do shoddy. Work won't put up with it and neither will I. My ex boss asked me on the quiet to do a job below the minimum spec to increase productivity, I passed him my screen and torch and said he'd better do it himself because I was fucked if I was putting my name to it. It was on a conveyor system designed to take a 20 ton load, spread at 1 ton per meter. I won and it was done correctly. The filler/sealant you don't know what was used will be an epoxy putty or PU sealant BTW. That puraflex is good. I stuck my roof cleats with it a few years back. Had a hell of a job getting them off for repaint. Hammer and chisel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 23:37:37 GMT
You'd want sending up the road if you couldn't glue a washer on well and quickly. Without blowing ones trumpet, I don't do shoddy. Work won't put up with it and neither will I. My ex boss asked me on the quiet to do a job below the minimum spec to increase productivity, I passed him my screen and torch and said he'd better do it himself because I was fucked if I was putting my name to it. It was on a conveyor system designed to take a 20 ton load, spread at 1 ton per meter. I won and it was done correctly. The filler/sealant you don't know what was used will be an epoxy putty or PU sealant BTW. That puraflex is good. I stuck my roof cleats with it a few years back. Had a hell of a job getting them off for repaint. Hammer and chisel. It is great stuff, particularly useful where hot work gives more problems than it solves! I know someone who stuck the whole front end and a pair of sills to an escort van with tiger seal and a handful of self tapping screws. It passed several MOTs before it was stolen and never seen again.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 19, 2018 8:32:58 GMT
I would live there as is.
Gotta be better than this shoe box two bed 1st floor flat
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 19, 2018 8:53:44 GMT
But for what? Anyone with even the most basic engineering knowledge knows what rivets are, what they do, and when they are and are not needed. The rivets on your boat are as obviously an affectation as rivets stuck all over a Vauxhall Vectra. I appreciate that you have a plain and monochrome boat and thus can see no reason for decoration. No doubt the inside is plain and lacking any decoration too. Perhaps it reminds you of a lorry cab and thus makes you feel comfortable? Well, I will leave that for others to decide. I will repeat, since you obviously missed it the first time around, that the original owner was one of the most respected boat fitter-outers in the industry, and I can also tell you that the wood used in the fit-out, which is iroko, cost over £2,000 back in 1986. I'd accept that it probably isn't poofy enough for some folk's taste.
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Post by kris on Feb 19, 2018 8:57:58 GMT
But for what? Anyone with even the most basic engineering knowledge knows what rivets are, what they do, and when they are and are not needed. The rivets on your boat are as obviously an affectation as rivets stuck all over a Vauxhall Vectra. I appreciate that you have a plain and monochrome boat and thus can see no reason for decoration. No doubt the inside is plain and lacking any decoration too. Perhaps it reminds you of a lorry cab and thus makes you feel comfortable? But some people like decorative things, art, poetry etc and lots of other things that to a philistine must seem pointless - it is just the way some people are. We have different tastes. By which I mean, some of us have taste. if your someone who has such impeccable taste, why would you have such a naf "replica" boat with stuck on washers. Oh yes it's all jeffs fault. Poor long suffering Jeff.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 19, 2018 9:09:51 GMT
I appreciate that you have a plain and monochrome boat and thus can see no reason for decoration. No doubt the inside is plain and lacking any decoration too. Perhaps it reminds you of a lorry cab and thus makes you feel comfortable? Well, I will leave that for others to decide. I will repeat, since you obviously missed it the first time around, that the original owner was one of the most respected boat fitter-outers in the industry, and I can also tell you that the wood used in the fit-out, which is iroko, cost over £2,000 back in 1986. I'd accept that it probably isn't poofy enough for some folk's taste. Yes I got it that your boat was built by some old geezer with a reputation for building 1980s-style boats. As to the wood, Iroko is very dark. I can imagine a boat fitted out in it resembling the inside of a coffin. And of course Iroko is a rainforest tree, with the wood coming from an unsustainable source. Our boat is fitted out in maple, light and airy and sustainable. But never mind, you have an absolute right to live in a coffin if it pleases you, as it obviously does. Enjoy!
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Post by peterboat on Feb 19, 2018 9:40:00 GMT
At least my boat is made of steel, not a bit of dead tree. I could lend you some circular saw blades, there’s lots of firewood to be had. Dead tree? You didn't attend materials science then? GRP - a high tech composite in its day 🚢🍻🔨👍 Gazza their is an engineering saying when something better comes along use it! Believe me fibreglass is so much better for boats than steel in so many ways, thats why I bought the bathtub for an electric boat, light. strong, flexible, easy to repair and modify the list is endless but finishes with doesnt go rusty
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 9:40:40 GMT
Nick in wrong again shocker!
I've been a guest onboard the good ship Desiree, it's a very comfortable and pleasant place to be, not dark at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 9:43:11 GMT
I think the reason that the RW Davis rivetty boats don't get ridiculed is because they are much higher quality vessels built by a long established boat builder rather than a product specifically manufactured to target a particular market segment which is what the S&M Hudson boats are.
I dislike fake rivets but I would chose a "Northwich Trader" over a Hudson every time.
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Post by peterboat on Feb 19, 2018 9:43:26 GMT
Christ! I'd be a bit touchy about the whole rivet thing if I'd been tucked up to the tune of £800 for them. £800? Really? £800? Wow! That's got to have been the most profitable bit of the whole boat! Not really. Each one has to be welded on, (in a perfectly straight line) ground to a domed or flat shape (depending on location) then the outer edge filled with something (not quite sure what, but it hasn’t shown any sign of deterioration yet), and finished off perfectly round. Look closely and the workmanship is really good. I haven’t counted them, but there are a lot and of course the £800 is probably 90% labour and 10% materials (and some profit, of course). Nick there is nowt below them but weld through primer or in some cases shiny metal, I have watched Johhys lads putting them on [they use zinc weld through primer] as long as you paint it all will stay rust free, one cracked joint = rust
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 9:43:53 GMT
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 19, 2018 9:44:10 GMT
Nick in wrong again shocker! I've been a guest onboard the good ship Desiree, it's a very comfortable and pleasant place to be, not dark at all. Compared to a plastic tub, I’m sure it is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 9:44:31 GMT
Dead tree? You didn't attend materials science then? GRP - a high tech composite in its day 🚢🍻🔨👍 Gazza their is an engerneering saying when something better comes along use it! Believe me fibreglass is so much better for boats than steel in so many ways, thats why I bought the bathtub for an electric boat, light. strong, flexible, easy to repair and modify the list is endless but finishes with doesnt go rusty Welding up rusty old narrow boats gives one a jaundice view too! I wouldn't ever entertain owning a steel narrowboat, given plenty of time and money and I could make an exception for something like John and Kris have. Thankfully both are in short supply so I can't be persuaded to go down that river Nick often says he is forward thinking and keeps with the times, his choice of boat would suggest he is actually very conservative in that regard.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 9:46:03 GMT
Nick in wrong again shocker! I've been a guest onboard the good ship Desiree, it's a very comfortable and pleasant place to be, not dark at all. Compared to a plastic tub, I’m sure it is. Nick in wrong again shocker! You ought to have a rest from your crusade to make yourself look a plonker!
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 19, 2018 9:47:38 GMT
Not really. Each one has to be welded on, (in a perfectly straight line) ground to a domed or flat shape (depending on location) then the outer edge filled with something (not quite sure what, but it hasn’t shown any sign of deterioration yet), and finished off perfectly round. Look closely and the workmanship is really good. I haven’t counted them, but there are a lot and of course the £800 is probably 90% labour and 10% materials (and some profit, of course). Nick there is nowt below them but weld through primer or in some cases shiny metal, I have watched Johhys lads putting them on [they use zinc weld through primer] as long as you paint it all will stay rust free, one cracked joint = rust Who is Johhy (or, presumably Johnny)? I can’t tell you what other builders do, but Steve did fill the area around the outer edge of the washers with some sort of filler, and resilient filler too. It was quite apparent when we had the boat grit blasted and 2-packed. This is why 7 years later there is no hint of rust from any of our many “rivets”.
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