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Post by Telemachus on Feb 19, 2018 9:50:08 GMT
Compared to a plastic tub, I’m sure it is. Nick in wrong again shocker! You ought to have a rest from your crusade to make yourself look a plonker! I am not on a crusade, merely defending my honour (a concept which no doubt would bemuse you). Funny how when the tables are turned a bit, people get all frothy and defensive. A pronounced ability to give but not take, it seems.
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Post by peterboat on Feb 19, 2018 9:50:09 GMT
Nick in wrong again shocker! I've been a guest onboard the good ship Desiree, it's a very comfortable and pleasant place to be, not dark at all. Compared to a plastic tub, I’m sure it is. Nick I think you need to go down to the broads there are some stunning boats on there, have a google at some of the Hybrid ones on offer, well laid out, well made, and cheap to run oh and I forgot big in comparison to a narrowboat
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 19, 2018 9:51:42 GMT
Compared to a plastic tub, I’m sure it is. Nick I think you need to go down to the broads there are some stunning boats on there, have a google at some of the Hybrid ones on offer, well laid out, well made, and cheap to run oh and I forgot big in comparison to a narrowboat Yes but Gazza doesn’t have one of those. Anyway, horses for courses. Boards cruisers are great for the broards but useless for the BCN.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 9:53:03 GMT
I much prefer steel boats for extensive inland use the material is more durable and less easy to damage.
When there are less locks to do GRP is certainly a good material but more for leisure than liveaboard IMO.
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Post by peterboat on Feb 19, 2018 9:53:38 GMT
Nick there is nowt below them but weld through primer or in some cases shiny metal, I have watched Johhys lads putting them on [they use zinc weld through primer] as long as you paint it all will stay rust free, one cracked joint = rust Who is Johhy (or, presumably Johnny)? I can’t tell you what other builders do, but Steve did fill the area around the outer edge of the washers with some sort of filler, and resilient filler too. It was quite apparent when we had the boat grit blasted and 2-packed. This is why 7 years later there is no hint of rust from any of our many “rivets”. Johnathon Wilson great big chap who has been building boats since he was fourteen [worked at nights and weekends for his uncle] another long established boat builder.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 19, 2018 9:57:29 GMT
Gazza their is an engerneering saying when something better comes along use it! Believe me fibreglass is so much better for boats than steel in so many ways, thats why I bought the bathtub for an electric boat, light. strong, flexible, easy to repair and modify the list is endless but finishes with doesnt go rusty Welding up rusty old narrow boats gives one a jaundice view too! I wouldn't ever entertain owning a steel narrowboat, given plenty of time and money and I could make an exception for something like John and Kris have. Thankfully both are in short supply so I can't be persuaded to go down that river Nick often says he is forward thinking and keeps with the times, his choice of boat would suggest he is actually very conservative in that regard. Err no, I realise you are just a young whipper-snapper but when I first started boating (when the sperm you were made from had yet to leave your dad’s testicles) leisure canal boats were mostly cruisers, either wood or latterly grp. Then purpose-built leisure steel narrowboats came along and cruisers remained the choice boat of only either old crusties who only went out from their “yacht clubs” of a sunny Sunday afternoon (IWA types) or poor people. Everyone else realised that steel leisure narrowboats were the appropriate horse for the course. But of course I’m sure you think you know better than the vast majority. The young always do.
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Post by peterboat on Feb 19, 2018 9:58:39 GMT
Nick I think you need to go down to the broads there are some stunning boats on there, have a google at some of the Hybrid ones on offer, well laid out, well made, and cheap to run oh and I forgot big in comparison to a narrowboat Yes but Gazza doesn’t have one of those. Anyway, horses for courses. Boards cruisers are great for the broards but useless for the BCN. The question is though will your boat ever get to the same age as Gazzas? not likely without lots of blacking his however would sit for many years at a time with no work whats soever [mine hasnt been out for ten years and when we lifted the stern the other week it powerwashed clean and shiny in seconds steel dont do dat I know as I have done plenty of blacking over the years
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 19, 2018 9:59:50 GMT
Who is Johhy (or, presumably Johnny)? I can’t tell you what other builders do, but Steve did fill the area around the outer edge of the washers with some sort of filler, and resilient filler too. It was quite apparent when we had the boat grit blasted and 2-packed. This is why 7 years later there is no hint of rust from any of our many “rivets”. Johnathon Wilson great big chap who has been building boats since he was fourteen [worked at nights and weekends for his uncle] another long established boat builder. I’ve no idea about boats built by him (I’ve heard of him, of course) but if he doesn’t fill behind his washers, he is a cheapskate. I don’t see what it has to do with my boat, which is the subject of this current (and oft repeated) attack.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 9:59:56 GMT
Nick I think you need to go down to the broads there are some stunning boats on there, have a google at some of the Hybrid ones on offer, well laid out, well made, and cheap to run oh and I forgot big in comparison to a narrowboat Yes but Gazza doesn’t have one of those. Anyway, horses for courses. Boards cruisers are great for the broards but useless for the BCN. You're not good on your history Nick. Appleyard and Lincoln supplied vast numbers of Elysian 27 to the Broads hire fleet. Ours was one of six supplied to Herbert Woods of Potter Heigham for the 1966 season. She spent 25 years in hire on the Broads before being retired into private hands on the Nene. I should think that qualifies ours a Broads boat The Wide Broads Bathtub type design became popular in the late 60's - taking off rapidly for the hire fleets due to the changing taste of customers.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 19, 2018 10:03:19 GMT
Yes but Gazza doesn’t have one of those. Anyway, horses for courses. Boards cruisers are great for the broards but useless for the BCN. The question is though will your boat ever get to the same age as Gazzas? not likely without lots of blacking his however would sit for many years at a time with no work whats soever [mine hasnt been out for ten years and when we lifted the stern the other week it powerwashed clean and shiny in seconds steel dont do dat I know as I have done plenty of blacking over the years If you want to buy a boat that you can sit for many years unused, without the hull deteriorating, I’m sure it can be a good material (apart from the dreaded osmosis, of course). But if you want a boat to actually use on the canals, steel is the best option. You only have to look at your average grp cruiser - barely visible under mounds of fenders - to see how delicate they are and thus how unsuited to canals they are. One encounter with Tim and Pru and they’d pop open like an over-ripe melon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 10:05:36 GMT
Welding up rusty old narrow boats gives one a jaundice view too! I wouldn't ever entertain owning a steel narrowboat, given plenty of time and money and I could make an exception for something like John and Kris have. Thankfully both are in short supply so I can't be persuaded to go down that river Nick often says he is forward thinking and keeps with the times, his choice of boat would suggest he is actually very conservative in that regard. Err no, I realise you are just a young whipper-snapper but when I first started boating (when the sperm you were made from had yet to leave your dad’s testicles) leisure canal boats were mostly cruisers, either wood or latterly grp. Then purpose-built leisure steel narrowboats came along and cruisers remained the choice boat of only either old crusties who only went out from their “yacht clubs” of a sunny Sunday afternoon (IWA types) or poor people. Everyone else realised that steel leisure narrowboats were the appropriate horse for the course. But of course I’m sure you think you know better than the vast majority. The young always do. The vast majority now boating choose steel because idiots trot out the bollox that GRP is no good on a narrow canal, It's no good faced with rich imbeciles determined to blunder their way around the system. Money has changed the leisure market so it now is very much a rich persons pursuit - particularly if you want a new boat. An Ormelite is an excellent boat, but totally shunned by the vast majority who want to get afloat, not because it isn't (or wasn't) fit for purpose, the market changed and narrow GRP cruiser production tailed off. See if you can reply without being a rude arsehole
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 19, 2018 10:08:54 GMT
Yes but Gazza doesn’t have one of those. Anyway, horses for courses. Boards cruisers are great for the broards but useless for the BCN. You're not good on your history Nick. Appleyard and Lincoln supplied vast numbers of Elysian 27 to the Broads hire fleet. Ours was one of six supplied to Herbert Woods of Potter Heigham for the 1966 season. She spent 25 years in hire on the Broads before being retired into private hands on the Nene. I should think that qualifies ours a Broads boat The Wide Broads Bathtub type design became popular in the late 60's - taking off rapidly for the hire fleets due to the changing taste of customers. As usual you are too lazy and /or stupid to follow the train of the discussion. A point was made about stunning boats currently on the broads, hybrids, well laid out and big compared to a narrowboat. You don’t have a boat like that. I don’t particularly care where your boat came from 50 years ago. The steel for my boat came to earth on an asteroid that originally came from an exploding star, but who cares?
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 19, 2018 10:14:08 GMT
Err no, I realise you are just a young whipper-snapper but when I first started boating (when the sperm you were made from had yet to leave your dad’s testicles) leisure canal boats were mostly cruisers, either wood or latterly grp. Then purpose-built leisure steel narrowboats came along and cruisers remained the choice boat of only either old crusties who only went out from their “yacht clubs” of a sunny Sunday afternoon (IWA types) or poor people. Everyone else realised that steel leisure narrowboats were the appropriate horse for the course. But of course I’m sure you think you know better than the vast majority. The young always do. The vast majority now boating choose steel because idiots trot out the bollox that GRP is no good on a narrow canal, It's no good faced with rich imbeciles determined to blunder their way around the system. Money has changed the leisure market so it now is very much a rich persons pursuit - particularly if you want a new boat. An Ormelite is an excellent boat, but totally shunned by the vast majority who want to get afloat, not because it isn't (or wasn't) fit for purpose, the market changed and narrow GRP cruiser production tailed off. See if you can reply without being a rude arsehole You are so much cleverer than everybody else, just a pity that the imbeciles with the steel boats outnumber and outgun you by such a huge margin. But at least you can be cozy in the knowledge that you are so superior. The leisure boating market was originally a rich person’s pursuit. It has become less so these days as working class people have more disposable income. So you are completely arse about face on that one, looking at a 5 year history instead of a 75 year history. Oh and No. Why should I be any different?
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Post by kris on Feb 19, 2018 10:16:11 GMT
You're not good on your history Nick. Appleyard and Lincoln supplied vast numbers of Elysian 27 to the Broads hire fleet. Ours was one of six supplied to Herbert Woods of Potter Heigham for the 1966 season. She spent 25 years in hire on the Broads before being retired into private hands on the Nene. I should think that qualifies ours a Broads boat The Wide Broads Bathtub type design became popular in the late 60's - taking off rapidly for the hire fleets due to the changing taste of customers. As usual you are too lazy and /or stupid to follow the train of the discussion. A point was made about stunning boats currently on the broads, hybrids, well laid out and big compared to a narrowboat. You don’t have a boat like that. I don’t particularly care where your boat came from 50 years ago. The steel for my boat came to earth on an asteroid that originally came from an exploding star, but who cares? where did the glue to stick the washers on come from?
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 19, 2018 10:20:48 GMT
If you must know, it was because Jeff wanted them. £800 extra. I only agreed after Steve assured me that they wouldn’t be a rust trap, and he was right about that. So you could take it up with Jeff. Oh sorry, you can’t because he has more sense than to visit here. But I do like the look, and our friends have a very similar boat but without the rivets - just looks a bit plain to me. I find a lot of other people’s boats really ugly but I avoid telling them because that is just rude and nasty. Christ! I'd be a bit touchy about the whole rivet thing if I'd been tucked up to the tune of £800 for them. £800? Really? £800? Wow! That's got to have been the most profitable bit of the whole boat! I think glueing on a selection of metal beer bottle tops would have been more artistic. £800 = 80 bags of coal.
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