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Post by kris on Feb 21, 2018 21:11:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 6:37:53 GMT
Nice. I'd like to see someone hand start that.
I asked an ex tug skipper about it he said he could start any engine by hand and showed me his thumb.joking aside apparently it is possible to hand start a 6L2 but the 6L3 is bigger. Or is the hand starting gear just for manipulating the engine when servicing ?
This is the 6L2 I was referring to. Its in an ex pla elfin safety launch called "Frederick Whiting". A delightful little boat !
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Post by kris on Feb 22, 2018 9:00:57 GMT
Nice. I'd like to see someone hand start that. I asked an ex tug skipper about it he said he could start any engine by hand and showed me his thumb.joking aside apparently it is possible to hand start a 6L2 but the 6L3 is bigger. Or is the hand starting gear just for manipulating the engine when servicing ? This is the 6L2 I was referring to. Its in an ex pla elfin safety launch called "Frederick Whiting". A delightful little boat ! yes your right what a lovely little boat. Someone should tell him it's a 2lw in the narrowboat though. I dont t know about hand starting a 6l3. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 9:13:45 GMT
Owner recently offered Frederick to me for £20k - he thinks I sweat money (I don't). Its worth £10k+ but 20k is pushing it. Was overplated at braunston in about 1995 - I remember it being done. 20 year old overplating won't be doing it any favours now I doubt  Its the type of boat which wants cutting out and replating but it would want getting hold of cheaply.. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 9:24:42 GMT
krisIts odd because Elstree does have a 3LW in it... It is a 3LW - there are three pipes coming off the injection pump (11.00 in the video) I think it is an ex crane engine or similar. Replaced a Lister HA.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 22, 2018 10:10:33 GMT
You can swing/start 4L3 and 6L3 series engines by hand, . . I've done it on occasions in the long ago when I was young and fit, and it's not something you'd do out of choice, but it is do-able if needs must. It helps that they've got individual decompressors for each cylinder, so you don't get all of them coming on to compression at once, and the raised starting handle shaft being double ended so you can have two people turning it over as a joint effort.
Hand starting a cold engine is always easier if they're fitted with injector pump priming levers - all Gardners are - a good half dozen strokes on every cylinder immediately prior to swinging it makes the world of difference. That 6L2 in the video clip would have lit up easier if the bloke who was trying to get it going had done that instead of spouting off with that nonsense about the decompressors altering the valve timing.
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Post by kris on Feb 22, 2018 10:10:44 GMT
kris Its odd because Elstree does have a 3LW in it... It is a 3LW - there are three pipes coming off the injection pump (11.00 in the video) I think it is an ex crane engine or similar. Replaced a Lister HA. It's definately a 2lw in that video. Count the cylinder heads? Then look at the injection pump and how many little levers to prime or isolate the cylinders? |
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Post by kris on Feb 22, 2018 10:14:33 GMT
Owner recently offered Frederick to me for £20k - he thinks I sweat money (I don't). Its worth £10k+ but 20k is pushing it. Was overplated at braunston in about 1995 - I remember it being done. 20 year old overplating won't be doing it any favours now I doubt Its the type of boat which wants cutting out and replating but it would want getting hold of cheaply.. Is it in any better condition than in the video? If not then your right it's not worth 20k. The video is ten years old so it could have deteriated a lot. The problem with a boat like that is what do you do with it, I I aging there's not a lot of accommodation? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 10:21:49 GMT
kris Its odd because Elstree does have a 3LW in it... It is a 3LW - there are three pipes coming off the injection pump (11.00 in the video) I think it is an ex crane engine or similar. Replaced a Lister HA. It's definately a 2lw in that video. Count the cylinder heads? Then look at the injection pump and how many little levers to prime or isolate the cylinders? It seems very odd. Its a 3LW in Elstree so I can't see why it would be a 2LW in the video. I think the box over the middle is disguising it somewhat. And it sounds like a 3. And the bloke doing the commentary inside the tug is Jim MacDonald who knows about Gardners. I still say its a 3LW  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 10:23:42 GMT
You can swing/start 4L3 and 6L3 series engines by hand, . . I've done it on occasions in the long ago when I was young and fit, and it's not something you'd do out of choice, but it is do-able if needs must. It helps that they've got individual decompressors for each cylinder, so you don't get all of them coming on to compression at once, and the raised starting handle shaft being double ended so you can have two people turning it over as a joint effort. Hand starting a cold engine is always easier if they're fitted with injector pump priming levers - all Gardners are - a good half dozen strokes on every cylinder immediately prior to swinging it makes the world of difference. That 6L2 in the video clip would have lit up easier if the bloke who was trying to get it going had done that instead of spouting off with that nonsense about the decompressors altering the valve timing. Tony Can you look at the video I posted at 11:00 and tell us if its a 2LW or a 3LW . |
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Post by kris on Feb 22, 2018 10:23:45 GMT
It's definately a 2lw in that video. Count the cylinder heads? Then look at the injection pump and how many little levers to prime or isolate the cylinders? It seems very odd. Its a 3LW in Elstree so I can't see why it would be a 2LW in the video. I think the box over the middle is disguising it somewhat. And it sounds like a 3. And the bloke doing the commentary inside the tug is Jim MacDonald who knows about Gardners. I still say its a 3LW You need to go to spec savers then, the engine in the narrowboat is a 2lw. The box in the middle is the air intake. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 10:35:01 GMT
It seems very odd. Its a 3LW in Elstree so I can't see why it would be a 2LW in the video. I think the box over the middle is disguising it somewhat. And it sounds like a 3. And the bloke doing the commentary inside the tug is Jim MacDonald who knows about Gardners. I still say its a 3LW You need to go to spec savers then, the engine in the narrowboat is a 2lw. The box in the middle is the air intake. It looks like a 2LW but if it is then they have filmed the engine from another boat and cut and pasted it pretending it is in Elstree which is a very bizarre thing to do. Oh well it takes all sorts. you are probably right ! |
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Post by kris on Feb 22, 2018 10:39:00 GMT
You need to go to spec savers then, the engine in the narrowboat is a 2lw. The box in the middle is the air intake. It looks like a 2LW but if it is then they have filmed the engine from another boat and cut and pasted it pretending it is in Elstree which is a very bizarre thing to do. Oh well it takes all sorts. you are probably right ! No I need to go to spec savers, I've just had a look on a bigger screen it is a 3lw. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 10:42:46 GMT
I did mention it  i've only been looking at my phone. As I said I think the air box is disguising it slightly. The 3LW is like the 5LW in that it does not have separate cylinders there are two in a block and then another one. On the 5LW its 3 and 2. |
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Post by kris on Feb 22, 2018 10:46:39 GMT
I did mention it i've only been looking at my phone. As I said I think the air box is disguising it slightly. The 3LW is like the 5LW in that it does not have separate cylinders there are two in a block and then another one. On the 5LW its 3 and 2. Yes and the 6lw has two 3cylinder blocks quite clever really. You should have bought the little boat with the 6L3 in, I would come to London for a trip on the tideway on that. |
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i've only been looking at my phone. As I said I think the air box is disguising it slightly. The 3LW is like the 5LW in that it does not have separate cylinders there are two in a block and then another one. On the 5LW its 3 and 2. 