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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 22, 2018 10:49:56 GMT
You can swing/start 4L3 and 6L3 series engines by hand, . . I've done it on occasions in the long ago when I was young and fit, and it's not something you'd do out of choice, but it is do-able if needs must. It helps that they've got individual decompressors for each cylinder, so you don't get all of them coming on to compression at once, and the raised starting handle shaft being double ended so you can have two people turning it over as a joint effort. Hand starting a cold engine is always easier if they're fitted with injector pump priming levers - all Gardners are - a good half dozen strokes on every cylinder immediately prior to swinging it makes the world of difference. That 6L2 in the video clip would have lit up easier if the bloke who was trying to get it going had done that instead of spouting off with that nonsense about the decompressors altering the valve timing. Tony Can you look at the video I posted at 11:00 and tell us if its a 2LW or a 3LW . It's certainly a 3 cylinder job, but without knowing if the crankcase is cast iron or ally, or having a closer look at it, I can't say if it's an LK or an LW.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 10:54:29 GMT
krisHe wants too much. It was sitting at Watford for about 10 years with "Not For Sale" painted on the side. Then it was sold to someone else on the mooring and I don't think he's going to do anything. He only offered it to me for £20k because he thinks I'm a millionaire disguised as a tramp and he admitted the overplating is naughty. If he would sell it for what its worth I might be interested as I have been familiar with the boat for over 20 years and always liked it. It went for £3,500 apparently about 15 years ago. I'd say about £5k and then spend spend spend on quality rebuild.. And put a big dynastart on it. I'll wait. I've got a little Colvic to go and explore the tideway with this year and if I find I really like it out there I might approach him with cash. It would be great to get I out on the River again .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 10:56:00 GMT
Tony Can you look at the video I posted at 11:00 and tell us if its a 2LW or a 3LW . It's certainly a 3 cylinder job, but without knowing if the crankcase is cast iron or ally, or having a closer look at it, I can't say if it's an LK or an LW. I didn't know they made a 3LK.
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Post by kris on Feb 22, 2018 11:01:25 GMT
kris He wants too much. It was sitting at Watford for about 10 years with "Not For Sale" painted on the side. Then it was sold to someone else on the mooring and I don't think he's going to do anything. He only offered it to me for £20k because he thinks I'm a millionaire disguised as a tramp and he admitted the overplating is naughty. If he would sell it for what its worth I might be interested as I have been familiar with the boat for over 20 years and always liked it. It went for £3,500 apparently about 15 years ago. I'd say about £5k and then spend spend spend on quality rebuild.. And put a big dynastart on it. I'll wait. I've got a little Colvic to go and explore the tideway with this year and if I find I really like it out there I might approach him with cash. It would be great to get I out on the River again . Yea depending on its current condition about £7000 tops, but as you say then it would get exspensive. I don't really know what you would do with it either, I mean apart from enjoy running the engine. Anyway what's this tagging bussines and how do you do it, it's neater than quoting all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 11:05:27 GMT
krisWrite "@username" without the quotes at the beginning of your post. so although this post starts "kris" the text of my post actually starts with an @ sign.
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Post by kris on Feb 22, 2018 11:12:08 GMT
kris Write "@username" without the quotes at the beginning of your post. so although this post starts "kris" the text of my post actually starts with an @ sign. Very clever.
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Post by lollygagger on Feb 22, 2018 11:48:01 GMT
kris Write "@username" without the quotes at the beginning of your post. so although this post starts "kris" the text of my post actually starts with an @ sign. Very clever. If someone has changed there display name it will only work if you tag their original username. To get delta I imagine you'd have to tag admin for instance.
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Post by lollygagger on Feb 22, 2018 11:49:36 GMT
To tag magnetman you'd have to tag someboater then to confuse you, when it posts, it's changed to magnetman
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 11:55:35 GMT
To tag magnetman you'd have to tag someboater then to confuse you, when it posts, it's changed to magnetman Oh shit you're right ! I deleted magnetman in a fit of pique (giggle)
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 22, 2018 12:06:45 GMT
It's certainly a 3 cylinder job, but without knowing if the crankcase is cast iron or ally, or having a closer look at it, I can't say if it's an LK or an LW. I didn't know they made a 3LK. To be honest, and never having actually seen one, I'm only assuming that such an engine exists, but the assumption is based on having seen some 6-cylinder jobs with cast iron crankcases mated with 2 x 3-cylinder blocks that were labelled up as LK's. With Gardner's practice of extending model ranges with combinations of 2 and 3-cylinder blocks and heads on different crankcases, I would bet that they've very probably have produced a 3-cylinder LK, and maybe a 5-cylinder version too, at some time or another to compliment the more common 4LK's. I don't know how true it was, or if it was just a good story, but a Gardner's fitter once told me that the LW designation stood for ' Light Weight' and that the whole LW range was basically the same engine as the LK's but with a lighter weight crankcase made from ally instead of cast iron. As far as I know, some early LW's were built with cast iron crankcases but all the later production were ally, . . so the story might have been true, or it could be a load of bollocks, . . who knows ? !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 12:14:06 GMT
Some years ago I had all the issues of "Marine engine" magazine which was a short run of small magazines - an offshoot from stationary engine. Sadly I no longer have them but I remember a write up about Gardner stating that a LW did indeed mean Lightweight. Apparently some 4LWs and 6LWs as well as the 4LKs were used in motorcars - Lagonda and Bentley and were very highly regarded. Light Weight is a handy attribute for a motorcar engine. Obviously not light weight by today's standards but reading about it they were able to travel considerably further on a gallon of diesel than modern turbodiesel powered rubbish.
There is a claim that a Jag XK 150 with 4LK in it did 90mpg !! Technology does not improve things in reality all it does is drive more money towards the grabbing hands !
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Post by kris on Feb 22, 2018 12:18:22 GMT
To tag magnetman you'd have to tag someboater then to confuse you, when it posts, it's changed to magnetman Oh shit you're right ! I deleted magnetman in a fit of pique (giggle) Yes we all remember your flounces.
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Post by kris on Feb 22, 2018 12:26:15 GMT
Some years ago I had all the issues of "Marine engine" magazine which was a short run of small magazines - an offshoot from stationary engine. Sadly I no longer have them but I remember a write up about Gardner stating that a LW did indeed mean Lightweight. Apparently some 4LWs and 6LWs as well as the 4LKs were used in motorcars - Lagonda and Bentley and were very highly regarded. Light Weight is a handy attribute for a motorcar engine. Obviously not light weight by today's standards but reading about it they were able to travel considerably further on a gallon of diesel than modern turbodiesel powered rubbish. There is a claim that a Jag XK 150 with 4LK in it did 90mpg !! Technology does not improve things in reality all it does is drive more money towards the grabbing hands ! I met a guy (well I bought a spill rail for a 4lw from him ) who has a 4lw in an old Rolls Royce . Now I'm not into cars, but that was my kind of car. The lw's where light weight compared to the L2's and L3's, although I believe the marine versions still had cast iron sumps etc and heavier fly wheels. Which is not a bad thing, because the fancy magnesium alloys they used on the sumps of the lk's means they corroded away very quickly.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 22, 2018 21:40:39 GMT
Going back to the subject of the first post in this topic, if that 6L3's history and condition is as good as is claimed then it will be a damn good buy for someone, . . . 114 Bhp @ 900 rpm, relatively lightly worked and all sea time, so the only appreciable gearbox wear, if there is any, will be confined to the main and reduction wheel shaft bearings.
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Post by Albion on Feb 24, 2018 11:04:32 GMT
I didn't know they made a 3LK. To be honest, and never having actually seen one, I'm only assuming that such an engine exists, but the assumption is based on having seen some 6-cylinder jobs with cast iron crankcases mated with 2 x 3-cylinder blocks that were labelled up as LK's. With Gardner's practice of extending model ranges with combinations of 2 and 3-cylinder blocks and heads on different crankcases, I would bet that they've very probably have produced a 3-cylinder LK, and maybe a 5-cylinder version too, at some time or another to compliment the more common 4LK's. I don't know how true it was, or if it was just a good story, but a Gardner's fitter once told me that the LW designation stood for ' Light Weight' and that the whole LW range was basically the same engine as the LK's but with a lighter weight crankcase made from ally instead of cast iron. As far as I know, some early LW's were built with cast iron crankcases but all the later production were ally, . . so the story might have been true, or it could be a load of bollocks, . . who knows ? ! Tony, I think you're getting mixed up with the L2 range of earlier engines (introduced in 1929). The LW (Light Weight) range followed on from those (introduced in 1931). The LK was only ever mass produced in 4 cylinder form (4LK, introduced in 1935) although I have seen a photo of a 6LK prototype engine that never went into production. The LK was a more compact and lighter engine than the LW and produced for the smaller commercial vehicles and also, in some special editions, for some cars (never really successful in that field though). Roger
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