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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 22, 2018 17:47:13 GMT
It seems like a once-in-a-million combination of ineptitude by three separate individuals which has combined to have disastrous consequences. A broader issue, which won't be addressed by the court is "Why do so many people have to work at night, when the human instinct is to sleep?"
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Post by bodger on Feb 22, 2018 17:55:09 GMT
As I have said, cruise control on motorways is dumb (much more serious than speaking on the phone hands-free). The big question is, with a lorry stopped in a live lane of a motorway for 12 minutes, will anyone in the Motorway Control room also be going to prison for having done fuck all about it? No warning lights? No lane closures? No Police sent there? there's nowt wrong with cruise control, it is ideal on a motorway and prevents your speed from creeping up, BUT of course it's still necessary to stay alert; slight pressure on the brake pedal cancels it. how do you know the stationary truck was observed by a traffic camera? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 18:00:33 GMT
As I have said, cruise control on motorways is dumb (much more serious than speaking on the phone hands-free). The big question is, with a lorry stopped in a live lane of a motorway for 12 minutes, will anyone in the Motorway Control room also be going to prison for having done fuck all about it? No warning lights? No lane closures? No Police sent there? there's nowt wrong with cruise control, it is ideal on a motorway and prevents your speed from creeping up, BUT of course it's still necessary to stay alert; slight pressure on the brake pedal cancels it. how do you know the stationary truck was observed by a traffic camera? There apparently was CCTV footage available of the whole thing which implies there was a camera covering the crash scene. (However it's not clear if it was a motorway cam or footage seized from a Dashcam on Wagstaff's truck.) www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-43158630CCTV footage of the minutes leading up to the collision and of the crash were shown to the jury. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 18:12:06 GMT
As I have said, cruise control on motorways is dumb (much more serious than speaking on the phone hands-free). The big question is, with a lorry stopped in a live lane of a motorway for 12 minutes, will anyone in the Motorway Control room also be going to prison for having done fuck all about it? No warning lights? No lane closures? No Police sent there? there's nowt wrong with cruise control, it is ideal on a motorway and prevents your speed from creeping up, BUT of course it's still necessary to stay alert; slight pressure on the brake pedal cancels it. how do you know the stationary truck was observed by a traffic camera? I agree. As does dipping the clutch (or in the case of flappy paddles shifting gear with the paddle or gear lever) cruise control is foolproof, sadly it's not idiot proof (unless radar assisted - and even that gets it wrong) Be interesting to know why the minibus driver became stationary, surely the footage should show why. Also, the bastard traffic wombles and old bill should be crucified for this. A 40 ton chicane sat still for 12 fucking minutes in a live and not a soul did fuck all about it  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 18:39:03 GMT
there's nowt wrong with cruise control, it is ideal on a motorway and prevents your speed from creeping up, BUT of course it's still necessary to stay alert; slight pressure on the brake pedal cancels it. how do you know the stationary truck was observed by a traffic camera? Also, the bastard traffic wombles and old bill should be crucified for this. A 40 ton chicane sat still for 12 fucking minutes in a live and not a soul did fuck all about it Not sure how motorway control rooms operate. It is possible that the 'bastard traffic wombles' were otherwise busy at the time and didn't notice what was happening (and I don't mean they were looking at porn). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 18:49:05 GMT
It seems perverse to be seeking to blame 'authorities' for this crash.
The drivers managed it all by themselves.
The 'authorities' for whatever reason, were not able at that moment to stop us, the people, killing ourselves, but we seek to blame others.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 18:58:59 GMT
Also, the bastard traffic wombles and old bill should be crucified for this. A 40 ton chicane sat still for 12 fucking minutes in a live and not a soul did fuck all about it Not sure how motorway control rooms operate. It is possible that the 'bastard traffic wombles' were otherwise busy at the time and didn't notice what was happening (and I don't mean they were looking at porn). The traffic wombles are the plastic coppers who sit about in Shoguns or Land Cruisers occasionally 'assisting' an woman change a spare wheel. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 19:03:48 GMT
It seems perverse to be seeking to blame 'authorities' for this crash. The drivers managed it all by themselves. The 'authorities' for whatever reason, were not able at that moment to stop us, the people, killing ourselves, but we seek to blame others. Rog There was a 12 minute opportunity to prevent this happening. For whatever reason the authorities (despite good CCTV coverage) were unavailable. Don't forget, this was near Central Milton Keynes and just up the road from the Plods motorway patrol base at Toddington services, a rapid patrol car would have been there pretty quickly. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 19:11:49 GMT
Yes, a disgrace.
They should have been able to stop it.
Nothing to do with the drivers (not even the drunk one)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 19:11:58 GMT
Last post before I go out.
It is a fact that some CCTV operators are better than others. If the incident wasn't spotted it doesn't matter how quickly the police could respond to it. To blame people who didn't actually cause the accident is blame shifting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 19:17:46 GMT
Yes, a disgrace. They should have been able to stop it. Nothing to do with the drivers (not even the drunk one) Rog It's not as black and white as that. Saying that means you might as well switch the cameras off and stand the old bill down. It's a shame police interceptors wasn't being filmed that night. They would have been all over it like a rash. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 19:19:41 GMT
This sort of thing will never happen once driverless vehicles become more profitable than human operated vehicles. All the vehicles will be communicating with each other and a central control room and in the event of any issues occurring every vehicle will be stopped automatically and only restart once the all-clear has been approved by the central control system's primary human/machine interface device.
This will save people from having nasty accidents.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 19:23:40 GMT
If we are not willing to concentrate on the job in hand whilst behind the wheel of a vehicle, why should we seek to blame anyone else for our errors.
Driving is dangerous enough (from the other guys) when you are paying attention (and sober).
Terrifying when you can't be arsed.
Rog
ETA and all the stupid gadgets on modern cars are necessary cos we no longer accept responsibility for our actions. Everything's somebody elses fault.
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Post by bodger on Feb 22, 2018 20:12:10 GMT
If we are not willing to concentrate on the job in hand whilst behind the wheel of a vehicle, why should we seek to blame anyone else for our errors. personally I have always enjoyed driving and giving it my undivided attention.... even having a passenger in the car who wants to chat puts me off.... I have often been accused of being rude when I don't appear to hear a passenger who is chatting away under the impression that I want to partake of their conversation. .... even hands free phones are a distraction IMHO. |
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Post by bodger on Feb 22, 2018 20:21:11 GMT
"there's nowt wrong with cruise control, it is ideal on a motorway" - I disagree intensely. On a motorway speeds need to be adjusted almost every second, at least supervised every second. WTF are you driving on UK motorways when 95% of the traffic is travelling at a steady speed, but you need to constantly adjust your speed? Of course the driver is 'supervising his speed', but cruise control is part of the process if done properly. One technique is to set the speed at say 70, and use the accelerator gently to increase speed whenever appropriate to suit the traffic. The conditions evident from that dashcam do not appear to be at all busy. |
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