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Post by kris on Mar 20, 2018 16:17:59 GMT
There does seem to be a lot of jealously over widebeams.
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Post by Andyberg on Mar 20, 2018 16:20:31 GMT
? π Designed and made by people with small Willy syndrome. I saw it on Facebook page..think it was LB and thought WTF? editted...Was actually London Boaters site...typicallyπ
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 16:58:20 GMT
Designed and made by people with small Willy syndrome. I saw it on Facebook page..think it was LB and thought WTF? editted...Was actually London Boaters site...typicallyπ I saw laurie had posted it on there. He can be a prick, most of the time. If the twats in London moved beyond the minimum distance, and stopped taking the piss, there wouldn't be an issue. On saying that, If they were even boaters it would help.
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Post by phoenix on Mar 20, 2018 22:44:38 GMT
I have two fat boats as you know, and am quite frankly disgusted at the review. All its aims have been false, it is clear now that the only aim was to raise revenue at any cost and to set boat owner against boat owner, where are the give backs to make this a revenue neutral review? Myself I am taking the Bathtub to the Norfolk broads when its finished, my current boat will be sold whilst it is worth good money [5 years of phasing in the rises should give me time]. If we are going to complain against the review it needs to be coordinated to achieve a better result, I dont want negative remarks on here but a positive plan to make CRT realise that they just cant walk all over us without a second thought. As many know we are now in Belgium (this year's licence fee 130 euros) but fear we may be forced back after Brexit so not at all happy about this result of the unholy alliance between crt and the narrowboat brigade, though not at all unhappy that they (the narrow boat owners) didnt get the discount bonus they expected from it. First they came for the fat boat owners (and river cruisers over 7') And I did not speak out Because I was not a fat boat owner Then they came for the continuos cruisers And I did not speak out Because I was not a continuos cruiser Then they came for the river certificated boats And I did not speak out Because I was not on a River Then they came for me And there was no one left to speak for me
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 21, 2018 9:21:08 GMT
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Post by kris on Mar 21, 2018 9:25:24 GMT
he won't be saying that when boats without a home mooring get a 20% surcharge. It just goes to show how effective Crt have been at splitting boaters along already existing fault lines.
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Post by Gone on Mar 21, 2018 11:32:32 GMT
Bit of an assumption that a tatty porthole means cc boat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 12:12:23 GMT
I have two fat boats as you know, and am quite frankly disgusted at the review. All its aims have been false, it is clear now that the only aim was to raise revenue at any cost and to set boat owner against boat owner, where are the give backs to make this a revenue neutral review? Myself I am taking the Bathtub to the Norfolk broads when its finished, my current boat will be sold whilst it is worth good money [5 years of phasing in the rises should give me time]. If we are going to complain against the review it needs to be coordinated to achieve a better result, I dont want negative remarks on here but a positive plan to make CRT realise that they just cant walk all over us without a second thought. As many know we are now in Belgium (this year's licence fee 130 euros) but fear we may be forced back after Brexit so not at all happy about this result of the unholy alliance between crt and the narrowboat brigade, though not at all unhappy that they (the narrow boat owners) didnt get the discount bonus they expected from it. First they came for the fat boat owners (and river cruisers overΒ 7') And I did not speak out Because I was not a fat boat owner Then they came for the continuos cruisers And I did not speak out Because I was not a continuos cruiser Then they came for the river certificated boats And I did not speak out Because I was not on a River Then they came for me And there was no one left to speak for me Will brexit have an effect on boating in the EU? I don't know how you arrange it yourself but as far as I know you are a UK resident staying on a holiday boat in Belgium. Is this going to become a problem? I'm interested because as a british man with two French children and a French woman there is a chance we might do the same sort of thing in future. Or possibly live there full time on a boat but that's less likely.
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Post by cygnus on Mar 21, 2018 12:15:29 GMT
We have something like 140 widebeams in Goole Boathouse Marina. Most are in the 25ft to 35ft length bracket. Don't people realise that these boaters will be penalised just the same as the 60ft widebeams that people/CRT are obsessing about? A boater was telling me that because he has a 30' x 10'10" cruiser his licence will go from 666 to 800 quid a year plus inflation rises. How is that fair?
I have done a CRT freedom of information request asking;
How many widebeams will be effected by this widebeam licence surcharge? How much extra revenue will CRT receive through this surcharge?
Apparently they are obliged to answer within 28 days, but there are some questions they don't have to answer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 12:21:48 GMT
My little yot is registered as 19ft x 7ft6. I missed a trick there as would have been easy to register as 7ft (just had its first inland registration (gold license) about a week ago and as I told the BSS man it's 7ft6 then its 7ft 6)
Too honest.
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Too late now..
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Post by Jim on Mar 21, 2018 12:41:21 GMT
Seems to me the question was asked, the answer was "charge by area", a fair system used on the Thames. How is that "divide and rule", that's democracy? They haven't done that because Wide beam owners will cry! So widebeam owners have been ignored eh? It could be said that they have been pandered too. But fair enough an allowance has been made becuase they can't go everywhere. On that principle what discount do boats over 58ft get for not being able to go everywhere. Widebeam owners have had cheaper rent per sqm for donkeys years, compared to narrowboaters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 13:15:37 GMT
Seems to me the question was asked, the answer was "charge by area", a fair system used on the Thames. How is that "divide and rule", that's democracy? They haven't done that because Wide beam owners will cry! So widebeam owners have been ignored eh? It could be said that they have been pandered too. But fair enough an allowance has been made becuase they can't go everywhere. On that principle what discount do boats over 58ft get for not being able to go everywhere. Widebeam owners have had cheaper rent per sqm for donkeys years, compared to narrowboaters. You could always get an extension for your tiny dick if your unhappy.
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Post by bargemast on Mar 21, 2018 13:20:15 GMT
In France we used to have a tariff based on surface, which was much more fair than what we've got now. I will post the 2018 list here, so you can see for yourself how the rates are here. You'll notice for starters that it's much cheaper than in the UK, but it's not because of that that it's more fair. Imagine someone with a 60' narrowboat which is 18M30, by 6'10" which is 2M10, which gives a surface of 38M43 And someone else with a 36' which is 10M98 by 11'6" which is 3M50, which gives a surface of 38M43 So they're both the same surface, but the narrowboat has to pay β¬ 647,42 and the other one only β¬ 299,73 β¬ 347,69 difference for the same surface doesn't sound very fair to me, so you're much better of with a short fat boat here. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 13:45:24 GMT
I would have expected to see a notice like that on a narrow boat but the boat in the photo is a Dutch barge..
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 21, 2018 13:48:07 GMT
I would have expected to see a notice like that on a narrow boat but the boat in the photo is a Dutch barge.. I would imagine that a third party placed it there, rather than the boat owner.
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