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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2018 11:52:03 GMT
I have my way ? WTF do you mean by that ? Private operation is the last thing I want ! I think CRT running the system while having obvious faults is a reasonable arrangement and I don't think licenses will increase 3 fold under CRT. I think it could easily be a lot worse and more expensive which is something I do not want. Yes as you keep saying "better the devil you know' that statement could have come straight out of crt's propaganda department the same as the opening post in this thread. Are you sure your not in their pay? I'm not affiliated with CRT in any way other than being a license payer. Perhaps due to my unusual experience of waterways (ccing narrow boat for 10 years, LTM holder, wide beam leisure boat under crt enforcement, residential mooring payer etc I see things from all the angles. I understand your views are different to mine. What a wonderful world
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Post by kris on Mar 24, 2018 11:56:24 GMT
Yes as you keep saying "better the devil you know' that statement could have come straight out of crt's propaganda department the same as the opening post in this thread. Are you sure your not in their pay? I'm not affiliated with CRT in any way other than being a license payer. Perhaps due to my unusual experience of waterways (ccing narrow boat for 10 years, LTM holder, wide beam leisure boat under crt enforcement, residential mooring payer etc I see things from all the angles. I understand your views are different to mine. What a wonderful world the ostrich behaviour of keeping your head in the sand and hoping the worse doesn't happen might have been appropriate in the past. But unless boaters start doing something IT IS going to get a lot worse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2018 11:58:10 GMT
That's what you think but other people are entitled to have different views. Its how it works.
Its not Ostrich behaviour.
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Post by kris on Mar 24, 2018 12:04:47 GMT
Let's just unpack this "better the devil you know" statement you keep wheeling out. If we had that aditude the nazis would still be ruling Europe. Abortion would still be illegal. Women still wouldn't have the vote. Etc etc etc. Society has evolved for the better because people haven't just accepted the status quo and have struggled to bring about positive change. But hey maybe it's just "better the devil you know"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2018 12:07:12 GMT
Your boat liscence isn't going to stay at £1000 if magnetman has his way, it's going to at least triple to reflect the "true cost of boating." I have my way ? WTF do you mean by that ? Private operation is the last thing I want ! I think CRT running the system while having obvious faults is a reasonable arrangement and I don't think licenses will increase 3 fold under CRT. I think it could easily be a lot worse and more expensive which is something I do not want. Any thoughts about my responses to your OP then MM? Just so you know where I’m coming from. I believe the cost of maintaining the CRT system should be covered by the tax payer (some are boaters!) and businesses who benefit from the system. I believe boaters should contribute extra towards facilities which only they benefit from, as they have done for many years but maybe too much. In a way. this isn’t too far from the current position except for the wasted funds on empire building and obvious attempts to divide the boating community. I also believe the voluntary scheme could be extended to help maintain the system but I can see why CRT management would be afraid of this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2018 12:10:04 GMT
Sounds like a sensible way to do it. It seems to me that this is broadly what is happening at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2018 12:15:17 GMT
Let's just unpack this "better the devil you know" statement you keep wheeling out. If we had that aditude the nazis would still be ruling Europe. Abortion would still be illegal. Women still wouldn't have the vote. Etc etc etc. Society has evolved for the better because people haven't just accepted the status quo and have struggled to bring about positive change. But hey maybe it's just "better the devil you know" Not really comparable is it. Boating on a ditch is in no way similar to fascism and women's rights. I think you are taking it too far now kris What is it you are so afraid of about crt that you would compare to the rise of National Socialism in Europe ? That seems a bit irrational to me. And if you could throw some Novichok at all the baddies in CRT how would you then continue to run the canal system ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2018 12:19:36 GMT
Jenlyn suggested something about splitting into 2 distinct parts. That sounds interesting but he did not want to discuss it apparently.
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Post by kris on Mar 24, 2018 12:21:04 GMT
What is it you are so afraid of about crt ? I'm not afraid of them, but if you really don't know what the problems with crt are after everything that has been written about them by different people then it really isn't worth carrying on talking to you about it. Are you sure your not in the pay of crt ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2018 12:21:47 GMT
Sounds like a sensible way to do it. It seems to me that this is broadly what is happening at the moment. But should this include wasting funds on empire building and dividing boaters? Should this include not allowing volunteers to help maintain the system?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2018 12:25:14 GMT
Volunteers is an odd subject really as it takes away jobs so I don't really think its appropriate to remove skilled paid workers for technical roles or lengths men etc.
As for empire building I don't know enough about that and it does not have an effect on me as a boater.
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Post by kris on Mar 24, 2018 12:28:54 GMT
As for empire building I don't know enough about that and it does not have an effect on me as a boater. Yes it does because crt are hemeraging money that should be getting spent on the maintenance. Or maybe you mean because you don't go anywhere anymore you don't care if the rest of the network collapses?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2018 12:29:37 GMT
Let's just unpack this "better the devil you know" statement you keep wheeling out. If we had that aditude the nazis would still be ruling Europe. Abortion would still be illegal. Women still wouldn't have the vote. Etc etc etc. Society has evolved for the better because people haven't just accepted the status quo and have struggled to bring about positive change. But hey maybe it's just "better the devil you know" To be fair Kris we will never get utopia in this life. Everything is a fine balance between those controlling and those being controlled. Otherwise you end up with anarchy It’s right to question the piss takers (on both sides of the political spectrum) and even take action against them if necessary but so long as they stay in the small minority you kind of end up with a bearable balance. I think?!
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Post by Jim on Mar 24, 2018 12:30:48 GMT
Jenlyn suggested something about splitting into 2 distinct parts. That sounds interesting but he did not want to discuss it apparently. Quelle surprise! That requires an attention span greater than a mole.
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Post by kris on Mar 24, 2018 12:36:22 GMT
Jenlyn suggested something about splitting into 2 distinct parts. That sounds interesting but he did not want to discuss it apparently. Quelle surprise! That requires an attention span greater than a mole. so what does a personal attack on jenlyn bring to the discussion?
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