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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 14:54:31 GMT
Our tax money. The local authority. It remains shameful in 2018 that we have so many homeless people, people with health issues, and people without hope or a stake in our society. The rights and wrongs, and who should do whats, are irrelevant. Those that can pay should. Those that need a hand should get it. That's what the welfare state is about isn't it? Jenlyn may have tourettes, but he's bang right on this. Rog The welfare state is just there to stop poor people breaking rich peoples doors down. I'd personally be in favour of it being abolished despite the fact my kids are eligible and receive free school meals. Its a bent system . But does it have any relevance to the topic? Is it actually possible to buy a boat for £1000 then get the state to pay for the rest of it assuming a continuous cruiser status? If it is then I reckon it could become a fairly widely adopted option specially in higher rent areas. Sounds to good to be true.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 14:58:45 GMT
No, as in the Manchester arena thread, you are right.
Let's ban poor people.
Let's gas all those with mental health, drink or drug issues.
Let's make the world fit for young rich people.
I give up with you!
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 15:04:13 GMT
No, as in the Manchester arena thread, you are right. Let's ban poor people. Let's gas all those with mental health, drink or drug issues. Let's make the world fit for young rich people. I give up with you! Rog Sorry I'm widening the topic to something which is outside of the original discussion. Where's that off topic flag ? Eta why do you think I want to ban anyone ?
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Post by Andyberg on Mar 28, 2018 15:16:49 GMT
Let's ban poor people who expect the world to look after them Let's gas all those with mental health, drink or drug issues. Let's make the world fit for people who understand personal responsibility for themselves. Yup....where do i sign up for this?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 15:22:44 GMT
Let's ban poor people who expect the world to look after them Let's gas all those with mental health, drink or drug issues. Let's make the world fit for people who understand personal responsibility for themselves. Yup....where do i sign up for this? 1939 Germany?
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Post by brummieboy on Mar 28, 2018 15:26:02 GMT
Buy an old van, park it on the mall to live in, unlicensed, untaxed, uninsured, un MOT'ed and parked illegally. See how long you get away with it! What's the difference with a boat?
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Post by sabcat on Mar 28, 2018 15:27:17 GMT
Skimmed the thread. My take. You either think it's a travesty that this man has been made homeless or you're a scumbag
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 15:28:34 GMT
Let's ban poor people who expect the world to look after them Let's gas all those with mental health, drink or drug issues. Let's make the world fit for people who understand personal responsibility for themselves. Yup....where do i sign up for this? Conservative Party
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 15:30:47 GMT
Buy an old van, park it on the mall to live in, unlicensed, untaxed, uninsured, un MOT'ed and parked illegally. See how long you get away with it! What's the difference with a boat? With a boat you get away with it for longer. Therefore people considering the former option buy a boat. Its not rocket science.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 15:37:32 GMT
Hmm. A home owner that 100% owns his home? He wasn't mortgaged or renting. On land in that situation everything else can be claimed for. One of the fundamental things about living on a boat is that you have zero (0, rien, nada, fuck all) security of tenure unless you own the land and even then you are subject to planning law. To compare someone who owns a boat tied to a towpath side canal bank to someone who owns land based property just isn't valid.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Mar 28, 2018 16:04:43 GMT
Something which is invariably overlooked in circumstances such as this, is that whether C&RT's Section 8 powers are exercised pursuant to, or absent, a Court Order [in the form of an Injunction and Declaration] , they in truth have no authority to evict anyone from the boat they either own or are living on. The powers conferred under S.8 of the 1983 BW Act are limited to only the removal from C&RT's waterways of the offending vessel, although C&RT, as did BWB before them, unilaterally, unlawfully, and invariably extend and expand those powers to suit themselves. It's high time they were effectively challenged when next attempting to apply this procedure.
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Post by sabcat on Mar 28, 2018 16:11:09 GMT
Something which is invariably overlooked in circumstances such as this, is that whether C&RT's Section 8 powers are exercised pursuant to, or absent, a Court Order [in the form of an Injunction and Declaration] , they in truth have no authority to evict anyone from the boat they either own or are living on. The powers conferred under S.8 of the 1983 BW Act are limited to only the removal from C&RT's waterways of the offending vessel, although C&RT, as did BWB before them, unilaterally, unlawfully, and invariably extend and expand those powers to suit themselves. It's high time they were effectively challenged when next attempting to apply this procedure. What happened with your hassle with CRT in the end? Last time I saw anything of it they were making right fools of themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 16:13:21 GMT
Would the HSE allow CRT to remove a boat from their waterways with the occupier on the boat? And would the occupier or boat owner be allowed to live on the boat wherever it was removed to ?
It seems a bit impractical but could be quite a handy arrangement if it was water based transport. I don't think I would want to be in a boat being craned out but if its being towed on water it might be ok.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 16:22:31 GMT
Would the HSE allow CRT to remove a boat from their waterways with the occupier on the boat? And would the occupier or boat owner be allowed to live on the boat wherever it was removed to ? It seems a bit impractical but could be quite a handy arrangement if it was water based transport. I don't think I would want to be in a boat being craned out but if its being towed on water it might be ok. I think you might be missing the point some posters are trying to make. There were things that could have been done before the S8, and yes this does need to include the 'cheap housing on the canal' but that is a very problematic issue to resolve and making people homeless will never solve it.
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Post by kris on Mar 28, 2018 16:27:09 GMT
Andrew do you have a condition that means you don't have any empathy?
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