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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 16:30:16 GMT
A very good point. If this truly is what C&RT are aspiring to then ridding the Trust of the knuckle draggers in charge of Enforcement - recently re-branded as the 'Boat Licence Customer Support Team' [sic] - along with the CEO who is, seemingly, content to let them run amok as they see fit, would be a positive and constructive first move. "Sorting out a problem" perhaps. Yep. Just the same as the council who decided to put bars into the middle of benches to stop homeless people sleeping on them. That worked out well...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 16:32:50 GMT
The average man on the street might think it did work out well because he doesn't have the slightly unpalatable homeless person in his face when out in the park enjoying his leisure time.
The canals are a park. They will become more of a park in future. Its just how it is.
Not saying its right or wrong but its definitely the way it is going.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 16:42:42 GMT
The average man on the street might think it did work out well ....... But explain why the council had to remove the bars a couple of days later. Would the average man in the street think that was a good use of money.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 16:49:32 GMT
No idea I guess that would be a local decision but putting bars on benches is a widely adopted strategy so I imagine there is probably a majority in favour of it.
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Post by NigelMoore on Apr 3, 2018 20:01:26 GMT
Not quite sure when this happened but if it was before the auction system was devised it seems possible that the boat owner in question may have "jumped" the waiting list for the mooring - assuming there was a waiting list at the site in question. If this happened then it seems to be an incentive to come under enforcement deliberately in order to gain special treatment and some sort of priority. It was in March 2014. His example was hardly an argument for the desirability of going under enforcement in order to gain a mooring otherwise unobtainable; as I have said, Pugsley J was of a rare breed, and that was the only such example out of the hundreds of cases brought by BW/CaRT. The Wingfield cases were really quite an extraordinary instance of truly ridiculous managerial decisions. He was always moored, at the time of enforcement, on private property with paid up registration in full compliance with the statutory conditions. He was badly let down by his representatives in court, who ought to have pointed out the obvious.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Apr 4, 2018 4:56:58 GMT
A very good point. If this truly is what C&RT are aspiring to then ridding the Trust of the knuckle draggers in charge of Enforcement - recently re-branded as the 'Boat Licence Customer Support Team' [sic] - along with the CEO who is, seemingly, content to let them run amok as they see fit, would be a positive and constructive first move. . . . . . . . . . . . . I actually believe there is a good chance that a large proportion of the people crt are attempting to "reach out to" i.e. the general publc will see this sort of action (a picture paints a thousand words?) as positive. Yes, I'm sure they will. It's part of the effect that Nigel characterizes so aptly as the "presumption of probity", from which the destructive and malevolent element within C&RT, ie. the upper echelons of the present management, consistently benefit, from every level of the Courts to the public perception of their ability and suitability to run our inland waterways.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 7:49:14 GMT
Turns out the old boy now has a new boat, i would guess via the funding page, however if you are subject to a section 8, do the crt let you licence another boat on their waters?
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 5, 2018 8:14:17 GMT
12 hours ago on Canalworld: "Well what a surprise (not!) he has almost reached 3k on his crowd funding page ... so time to rethink what i could spend next years licence fee on whilst i wait for a section 8 and can set up a similar page!"
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Post by NigelMoore on Apr 5, 2018 8:21:20 GMT
Turns out the old boy now has a new boat, i would guess via the funding page, however if you are subject to a section 8, do the crt let you licence another boat on their waters? Legally of course, they have no choice - though as they will revoke and refuse licences for reasons other than statutory, it can always happen that they refuse the issue a new licence in a previously s.8'd boater. Still, There are at least a very few boaters who have their seized boats returned and re-licensed; see the 'WhatDoTheyKnow' site for an answered query on the subject. One of the nastier little wrinkles in the Middle Level Bill was that the MLC were seeking powers to refuse to ever again register any boat that had come under enforcement. Now that is the kind of power CaRY would like up their sleeve, but it illustrates the necessity for such a choice to be clearly authorised in the legislation. The 1995 BW Act as clearly restricts the ability to refuse.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 20:09:05 GMT
Going back to the original topic which was about a crowdfunding campaign on youcaring.com Interesting business model en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouCaringSo its basically "cyberbegging" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_beggingI was trying to work out what it was all about and why people unconnected would donate to the cause. It seems a very odd phenomenon but I guess its just all part of the word wide web/net .
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Post by Andyberg on Apr 6, 2018 20:24:54 GMT
Maybe he should use the excess £2k to fund a legal argument against CRT questioning their motives to originally 'stealing his home'?
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Post by Andyberg on Apr 6, 2018 20:31:12 GMT
Maybe he should use the excess £2k to fund a legal argument against CRT questioning their motives to originally 'stealing his home'? Or, if hes any sense, he should pocket the cash and do a runner before TD talks him into it! 🙄😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 20:34:06 GMT
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Post by thebfg on Apr 6, 2018 20:43:59 GMT
So what is the diffenece to putting a nice note on the internet asking for money compared to a nice note in front of a homeless person askong for money? which AFAIK is not legal.
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Post by Jim on Apr 7, 2018 9:57:48 GMT
So what is the diffenece to putting a nice note on the internet asking for money compared to a nice note in front of a homeless person askong for money? which AFAIK is not legal. You might fill a cup with coins out on the street, you fill a sack with folding £ on the net.
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