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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 12:29:37 GMT
I think 10ft 7.5inch beam was the middle bracket. No idea why but its helpful to people with boats over 7ft that aren't actually "wide" so probably a Good Thing.
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Post by kris on Mar 29, 2018 12:35:19 GMT
I've been thinking about this after the discussions recently. I've come up with an idea for direct action that I might take. I'll liscence my boat for canals and cruise up and down the Trent and Mersy between detwent mouth and burton. Only moving at the weekends, particularly bank holiday weekends. This is something I am perfectly legally entitled to do. You aren't going to get the old girl any closer to Burton than the bridge over the tail of Aston Lock, kris. The chambers of all six of the double locks in the bottom end of the Trent and Mersey (Derwent Mouth, Shardlow, Aston, Weston, Swarkestone and Stenson) will take a pair of narrowboats abreast, but the bridgeholes at the bottom gates of Aston, Weston, Swarkestone and Stenson are about a foot or so narrower than the chambers themselves. With a pair of narrowboats you have to go in and out of the bottom end of those locks singled out, otherwise you get jammed in the bridgeholes. I believe that some of the B & I's were a bit narrower than the standard shortboat beam/width, but I doubt that A41 is as little as 13 feet, which is about the limit for reaching Burton from the Trent. PS. You've just reminded me that I haven't yet finished and posted up the second part of my spiel on 'Upper Trent boats', . . they limited their activities to going no further than Shardlow, . . for the same reasons as stated above ! Tony you didn't have to tell Crt this, it would have kept them guessing for a while. |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Mar 29, 2018 12:41:00 GMT
You aren't going to get the old girl any closer to Burton than the bridge over the tail of Aston Lock, kris. The chambers of all six of the double locks in the bottom end of the Trent and Mersey (Derwent Mouth, Shardlow, Aston, Weston, Swarkestone and Stenson) will take a pair of narrowboats abreast, but the bridgeholes at the bottom gates of Aston, Weston, Swarkestone and Stenson are about a foot or so narrower than the chambers themselves. With a pair of narrowboats you have to go in and out of the bottom end of those locks singled out, otherwise you get jammed in the bridgeholes. I believe that some of the B & I's were a bit narrower than the standard shortboat beam/width, but I doubt that A41 is as little as 13 feet, which is about the limit for reaching Burton from the Trent. PS. You've just reminded me that I haven't yet finished and posted up the second part of my spiel on 'Upper Trent boats', . . they limited their activities to going no further than Shardlow, . . for the same reasons as stated above ! Tony you didn't have to tell Crt this, it would have kept them guessing for a while. Maybe the threat of going and jamming A41 in Aston locktail bridgehole will cause them to take more notice ! |
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Post by kris on Mar 29, 2018 12:43:26 GMT
Tony you didn't have to tell Crt this, it would have kept them guessing for a while. Maybe the threat of going and jamming A41 in Aston locktail bridgehole will cause them to take more notice ! there are definately lots of options. I've thought about setting it up so I can sink it or float it at will. That would make for a very interesting game of cat and mouse with Crt. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 12:44:20 GMT
Tony you didn't have to tell Crt this, it would have kept them guessing for a while. Maybe the threat of going and jamming A41 in Aston locktail bridgehole will cause them to take more notice ! They would just S8 it. |
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Post by kris on Mar 29, 2018 12:45:28 GMT
Maybe the threat of going and jamming A41 in Aston locktail bridgehole will cause them to take more notice ! They would just S8 it. you miss the poInt, but never mind. |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Mar 29, 2018 13:28:52 GMT
Maybe the threat of going and jamming A41 in Aston locktail bridgehole will cause them to take more notice ! They would just S8 it. Well, . . that would be interesting, . . . what grounds could they base the S.8 Notice on ? |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Mar 29, 2018 13:32:41 GMT
Maybe the threat of going and jamming A41 in Aston locktail bridgehole will cause them to take more notice ! there are definately lots of options. I've thought about setting it up so I can sink it or float it at will. That would make for a very interesting game of cat and mouse with Crt. Lots of scope for fun and games with A41 in and around Loughborough, . . and that length of cut is covered by your PBC. Don't forget that all the TNC/British Waterways traffic between Nottingham and Leicester went in wideboats, . . . and for a time in the 1950's, in three Leeds & Liverpool shortboats that were transferred from BTC's North Western operations. Handy to remember if some wanker tried to play the "boats like that were never meant to be on waterways like this" card ! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 13:43:26 GMT
Well, . . that would be interesting, . . . what grounds could they base the S.8 Notice on ? It's causing a problem! Seems their normal grounds for jumping straight into resolving a problem.  |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Mar 29, 2018 13:50:49 GMT
Well, . . that would be interesting, . . . what grounds could they base the S.8 Notice on ? It's causing a problem! Seems their normal grounds for jumping straight into resolving a problem. Not so, in fact, they invariably elect to go down the "without lawful authority" route for all their contrived S.8's. But S.8 is applicable only to boats which are - to quote from the 1983 Act - "sunk, stranded or
abandoned in any inland waterway or in any reservoir owned or managed by the Board or which is left or
moored therein without lawful authority" - nothing there about being stuck in a bridgehole that's a shade too narrow ! |
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Post by peterboat on Mar 29, 2018 15:34:24 GMT
There are plenty of widebeams in Mercia that go out I have seen narrowboats racing for the exit to beat them!!
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Post by kris on Mar 29, 2018 15:37:01 GMT
There are plenty of widebeams in Mercia that go out I have seen narrowboats racing for the exit to beat them!! yes there are plenty of widebeams sat in marinas around here. If a few of them came out at the same time they could cause chaos. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 15:40:53 GMT
It's causing a problem! Seems their normal grounds for jumping straight into resolving a problem. Not so, in fact, they invariably elect to go down the "without lawful authority" route for all their contrived S.8's. But S.8 is applicable only to boats which are - to quote from the 1983 Act - "sunk, stranded or
abandoned in any inland waterway or in any reservoir owned or managed by the Board or which is left or
moored therein without lawful authority" - nothing there about being stuck in a bridgehole that's a shade too narrow ! Not a section 8 but is there not something in the legislation which means CRT are authorised to remove a vessel which is obstructing navigation ? Not so serious in pleasure boating but I'm sure there must be some fairly forceful method available to remove a boat jammed in a bridgehole. Saying that do CRT actually own any tugs ? |
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Post by Jim on Mar 29, 2018 16:20:21 GMT
Perhaps you could get narrowboatsover 60ft to join your crusade, cos they can't go everywhere. They don't even have extra room to compensate! Not that I see them crying and whining.
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Post by kris on Mar 29, 2018 16:41:01 GMT
Twat
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