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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 6, 2018 15:06:41 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 6, 2018 15:48:32 GMT
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Post by Andyberg on Apr 7, 2018 8:32:05 GMT
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Post by twbm2 on Apr 8, 2018 7:59:22 GMT
Someone has died at the hands of another. There is therefore grounds to suspect murder until the facts can be established to whatever extent is possible. Those facts are put before the CPS by the police, they decide what offence, if any, that the suspect should be charged with. If you hit a burglar with the teapot that was the first thing you could lay your hands on and they die, it's probably manslaughter. If you go into the kitchen, select a knife then return to the burglar and stab him to death it's probably murder. But a jury will decide, everything up to then is just administrative process. There is no death penalty in the UK, ergo no offence can be serious enough to justify deliberate killing. Those that think it's OK to do that should seriously consider moving to a place where it would be tolerated so they can enjoy the rich vibrant experience of living under such regimes. So, old news now, but as per line two, an assessment of the case lead to no further action. He still had to be arrested whilst that happened. People will be arrested again in the future in similar circumstances, and that will no doubt again feed peoples need for a regular outburst of fact-free righteous indignation and faux outrage whilst due process is carried out. |
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Post by phil70 on Apr 8, 2018 8:04:39 GMT
Nothing wrong with righteous indignation
Phil
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 8, 2018 8:08:53 GMT
Someone has died at the hands of another. There is therefore grounds to suspect murder until the facts can be established to whatever extent is possible. Those facts are put before the CPS by the police, they decide what offence, if any, that the suspect should be charged with. If you hit a burglar with the teapot that was the first thing you could lay your hands on and they die, it's probably manslaughter. If you go into the kitchen, select a knife then return to the burglar and stab him to death it's probably murder. But a jury will decide, everything up to then is just administrative process. There is no death penalty in the UK, ergo no offence can be serious enough to justify deliberate killing. Those that think it's OK to do that should seriously consider moving to a place where it would be tolerated so they can enjoy the rich vibrant experience of living under such regimes. So, old news now, but as per line two, an assessment of the case lead to no further action. He still had to be arrested whilst that happened. People will be arrested again in the future in similar circumstances, and that will no doubt again feed peoples need for a regular outburst of fact-free righteous indignation and faux outrage whilst due process is carried out. Possibly the strength of public feeling contributed to the police's decision not to charge him? I don't think that describing general public sentiment as "fact-free righteous indignation", as if you alone have a monopoly on expressing the correct reaction to the incident does any more than mark you out as an aloof and self-superior prick to be honest. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 8, 2018 8:41:22 GMT
I keep thinking 'Hither and Thither'  |
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Post by twbm2 on Apr 9, 2018 19:05:54 GMT
So, old news now, but as per line two, an assessment of the case lead to no further action. He still had to be arrested whilst that happened. People will be arrested again in the future in similar circumstances, and that will no doubt again feed peoples need for a regular outburst of fact-free righteous indignation and faux outrage whilst due process is carried out. Possibly the strength of public feeling contributed to the police's decision not to charge him? I don't think that describing general public sentiment as "fact-free righteous indignation", as if you alone have a monopoly on expressing the correct reaction to the incident does any more than mark you out as an aloof and self-superior prick to be honest. All I did was explain due process accurately because it's a subject I know something about. All social media is saturated with ill informed people working themselves into a frenzy about events they know little about, and indeed resorting to personal insult when someone dares to offer an opinion that doesn't fit their world view. So I say to you Sir, fuck off. Then fuck off a bit more, and keep on fucking off until you're back here. Then fuck off again. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 19:12:36 GMT
What a jolly good response.
That made me laugh.
Just saying.
Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 9, 2018 19:26:52 GMT
What a jolly good response. That made me laugh. Me too.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 19:39:26 GMT
There is a photo of the accomplice on the news webshites now. Apparently they don't think he killed his mate, may have attempted to get him into his van but ended up leaving him to die at the side of the road. Sounds like a nice bloke !
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 10, 2018 16:12:32 GMT
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Post by dyertribe on Apr 10, 2018 22:28:49 GMT
Don’t know what is going on with people laying flowers where someone died, months, years after the death. Isn’t that what a grave or headstone is for?
I pass places where mouldy teddy bears are tied to a tree where a youngster died must be 5 years ago now. It looks tatty and gross, surely not a fitting memorial to a young life lost?
And what if it is outside your property? Should you have to put up with rotting flowers and crumbling cellophane on your wall/ fence /railings for the foreseeable future?
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Post by thebfg on Apr 11, 2018 3:46:25 GMT
Don’t know what is going on with people laying flowers where someone died, months, years after the death. Isn’t that what a grave or headstone is for? I pass places where mouldy teddy bears are tied to a tree where a youngster died must be 5 years ago now. It looks tatty and gross, surely not a fitting memorial to a young life lost? And what if it is outside your property? Should you have to put up with rotting flowers and crumbling cellophane on your wall/ fence /railings for the foreseeable future? last year a young man was killed outside our flats. Every month the family come and change the shrine on tbe fence. Ill have to admit its nicely done, freinds and family put birthday and christmass stuff. Its all kept clean and tidy. |
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Post by patty on Apr 11, 2018 6:05:09 GMT
Don’t know what is going on with people laying flowers where someone died, months, years after the death. Isn’t that what a grave or headstone is for? I pass places where mouldy teddy bears are tied to a tree where a youngster died must be 5 years ago now. It looks tatty and gross, surely not a fitting memorial to a young life lost? And what if it is outside your property? Should you have to put up with rotting flowers and crumbling cellophane on your wall/ fence /railings for the foreseeable future? I hate the look of flowers in plastic marking the deceased RIP spot...if u have to 'pay your respects' at least remove the plastic.... And as for weapons under beds I have a walking stick but its a foldable one so I guess the fact I'd have to put it together would make any action pre meditated in the laws eyes...that is if I get a chance to...otherwise its pokers by the fires I'd have to grab.... if I couldn't run. |
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