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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 24, 2018 15:00:05 GMT
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Post by faffer on Apr 24, 2018 15:21:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 15:57:19 GMT
I saw a bloke approaching a gas bottle with an angle grinder the other day. I assume he had been sure to completely empty it in fact if I were doing that I'd get the valve off and fill the thing with water to expel all gas then empty water then cut it.
One of the things I enjoyed as a teenager was putting a bit of petrol in the top dished area of a can of lighter gas then shooting it with my air rifle. Produced a pleasing flame.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 24, 2018 15:57:26 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 24, 2018 15:58:25 GMT
I saw a bloke approaching a gas bottle with an angle grinder the other day. I assume he had been sure to completely empty it in fact if I were doing that I'd drill a hole and fill the thing with water to expel all gas then empty water then cut it. One of the things I enjoyed as a teenager was putting a bit of petrol in the top dished area of a can of lighter gas then shooting it with my air rifle. Produced a pleasing flame. Fascinating. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 15:59:56 GMT
I don't think you can cause a calor type gas bottle to explode readily. Apparently they even survive being in a fire so I wonder if the object in this story was a little camping stove bottle perhaps.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 16:00:41 GMT
I saw a bloke approaching a gas bottle with an angle grinder the other day. I assume he had been sure to completely empty it in fact if I were doing that I'd drill a hole and fill the thing with water to expel all gas then empty water then cut it. One of the things I enjoyed as a teenager was putting a bit of petrol in the top dished area of a can of lighter gas then shooting it with my air rifle. Produced a pleasing flame. Fascinating. Indeed |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 16:24:27 GMT
I don't think you can cause a calor type gas bottle to explode readily. Apparently they even survive being in a fire so I wonder if the object in this story was a little camping stove bottle perhaps. Very unlikely to be an exploding gas cylinder (even the camping ones are fairly difficult to explode unintentionally), more likely a gas leak that exploded. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 16:45:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 16:54:13 GMT
I've used the little flat table top camping stoves and it is quite easy to get problems. If you do not push the bottle connection lever up after each use then the bottle remains open and relies 100% on a little rubber seal so there is a decent chance of leakage. Technically the cookers are "disposable" ie not durable and it's not a good idea to run one long term. If the cooker was used beside a sink and the bottle left in the open (lever down) position I think there is a good chance that a leak could fill the sink with gas then when the cooker is ignited the flame could spread rapidly and cause quite nasty burns to anyone standing over it.
Of course the actual story is about an explosion on a boat - not specifically a gas bottle as suggested in the thread title.
Nice to have you back btw gazza !
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 24, 2018 16:57:01 GMT
I have one of those, I used to use it in the truck and I'd have to say it's very safe compared to Camping Gaz set-ups. Firstly, it has a very large footprint so it is comparatively very stable, secondly the gas cylinder is only engaged when the lever on the front is pushed downwards, thirdly the lever is interlocked and can only be pushed downwards when the burner plate is in the cooking position, fourthly the apparatus cannot be returned to the case unless the burner plate is removed and inverted into the storage position and fifthly the burner plate cannot be removed and inverted into the storage position unless the lever is pushed upwards and the gas cylinder is disconnected. I've known a few cooking gas explosions to have happened in trucks, every single one has been caused when the apparatus was connected to the gas bottle using rubber hose, and the hose has perished. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 17:01:45 GMT
I have one of those, I used to use it in the truck and I'd have to say it's very safe compared to Camping Gaz set-ups. Firstly, it has a very large footprint so it is comparatively very stable, secondly the gas cylinder is only engaged when the lever on the front is pushed downwards, thirdly the lever is interlocked and can only be pushed downwards when the burner plate is in the cooking position, fourthly the apparatus cannot be returned to the case unless the burner plate is removed and inverted into the storage position and fifthly the burner plate cannot be removed and inverted into the storage position unless the lever is pushed upwards and the gas cylinder is disconnected. I've known a few cooking gas explosions to have happened in trucks, every single one has been caused when the apparatus was connected to the gas bottle using rubber hose, and the hose has perished. Problem is if it is used on a boat as the main cooker there is no particular reason to push the lever back up. I lived on a small boat 24/7 for a year with one of these as my only cooker. I didn't always push the lever back up and occasionally emptied bottles prematurely by leakage. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 24, 2018 17:08:26 GMT
I have one of those, I used to use it in the truck and I'd have to say it's very safe compared to Camping Gaz set-ups. Firstly, it has a very large footprint so it is comparatively very stable, secondly the gas cylinder is only engaged when the lever on the front is pushed downwards, thirdly the lever is interlocked and can only be pushed downwards when the burner plate is in the cooking position, fourthly the apparatus cannot be returned to the case unless the burner plate is removed and inverted into the storage position and fifthly the burner plate cannot be removed and inverted into the storage position unless the lever is pushed upwards and the gas cylinder is disconnected. I've known a few cooking gas explosions to have happened in trucks, every single one has been caused when the apparatus was connected to the gas bottle using rubber hose, and the hose has perished. Problem is if it is used on a boat as the main cooker there is no particular reason to push the lever back up. I lived on a small boat 24/7 for a year with one of these as my only cooker. I didn't always push the lever back up and occasionally emptied bottles prematurely by leakage. I don't have a copy of the instruction manual to hand but I feel pretty sure it would tell you not to do that. At the end of the day it is sold as a portable camping stove and wouldn't have been designed to be a permanent installation. |
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Post by Delta9 on Apr 24, 2018 17:41:01 GMT
Looking at the pictures of the boat, there doesn't seem to be any evidence of a gas bottle exploding. The 'Key Events' timeline on that article is hilarious. It's like news reporting has become a parody of itself.  |
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Post by bodger on Apr 24, 2018 19:15:38 GMT
as per usual ........ rubbish journalism (from "our new and trusty reporter"?)
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