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Post by kris on Jul 5, 2018 11:26:28 GMT
With only a few days to go before the 5th anniversary of the last barge loads of sand and gravel leaving Besthorpe Wharf (just downriver from Cromwell Lock) on the Trent, it may well be that the complete absence of daily, deep-draughted (up to 8 feet) commercial traffic will have resulted in some significant changes to the deep water/navigable channel, and the depths available in that channel, from Besthorpe to Gainsborough and a few spots even further down, . . . possibly even as far down as Keady Yes ok Keadby, a slip of the b! I seem to recall you used to say that it was best to go down towards the end of the ebb so as to get to keadby at slack low water, as opposed to the more normal advice to leave just as the ebb started or even before? But with presumably virtually no fresh coming down is that still a good idea - no fresh = possibly insufficient water at low tide and less current to fight turning into the lock at mid-tide? hang on a minute. Is this Nick asking Tony for advice? Definately worth a quote.
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Post by kris on Jul 5, 2018 11:28:00 GMT
With only a few days to go before the 5th anniversary of the last barge loads of sand and gravel leaving Besthorpe Wharf (just downriver from Cromwell Lock) on the Trent, it may well be that the complete absence of daily, deep-draughted (up to 8 feet) commercial traffic will have resulted in some significant changes to the deep water/navigable channel, and the depths available in that channel, from Besthorpe to Gainsborough and a few spots even further down, . . . possibly even as far down as Keady Yes ok Keadby, a slip of the b! I seem to recall you used to say that it was best to go down towards the end of the ebb so as to get to keadby at slack low water, as opposed to the more normal advice to leave just as the ebb started or even before? But with presumably virtually no fresh coming down is that still a good idea - no fresh = possibly insufficient water at low tide and less current to fight turning into the lock at mid-tide? So ironic I'll quote it again.
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Post by peterboat on Jul 5, 2018 12:52:27 GMT
Telemachus I suggest you take advice from Tony Dunkley if you wish to navigate the river Trent. He has a lot of local knowledge and as you know he is Always Right so if you follow his instructions you will be fine. Yes I know. He has provided good help and information in the past. However I suspect he is too sulky at the moment to offer any help. We have previously been down the Trent to Torksey - which is of course pretty easy. Hopefully I can manage the turns into W Stockwith and Keady - what could possibly go wrong!? LOL first time I went into Keadby a big cruiser called red October nipped in before me....................and then stopped well I was already going for it full bore the owner turner around a saw my boat charging straight at him, after a second of trying to stop me by pushing his hands at me he hit full throttle forward and bounced of the lock walls all the wall before hitting the lock gates! I seconds later hit him in the stern . The lock keeper bless him threw the boat back out onto the trent completely pissed off with him! As he went past me I could see the boat and the crew were in a total shambles from the collisions still makes me smile today
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Post by peterboat on Jul 5, 2018 12:56:40 GMT
I think with the current drought our plans for a double crossing of the Pennines are best put on hold. So Plan B, 7 week trip from Fazeley Mill Marina (B&F) is to go down the Trent. Firstly to "do" the Chesterfield, and thence on perhaps to Ripon. Hoping that by then there might be some water in the trans-Pennine canals! So two questions if I may: Is the Chesterfield prone to water shortages in times of drought? Secondly, when we get to the end of the Stainforth and Keadby canal, of course we will be turning right to get to Selby. But should we first turn left to "do" the upper reaches of the SSYN? Is it nice, or is it all a bit industrial / bleak / big wide expanses of boring waterway? On the plus side Nick you might bump into John, Jayne, Taff and myself on the Trent as we are on it from Sunday for 10 days or so,. We will be in Sabina so cant miss us as she is so large
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 5, 2018 14:19:40 GMT
I think with the current drought our plans for a double crossing of the Pennines are best put on hold. So Plan B, 7 week trip from Fazeley Mill Marina (B&F) is to go down the Trent. Firstly to "do" the Chesterfield, and thence on perhaps to Ripon. Hoping that by then there might be some water in the trans-Pennine canals! So two questions if I may: Is the Chesterfield prone to water shortages in times of drought? Secondly, when we get to the end of the Stainforth and Keadby canal, of course we will be turning right to get to Selby. But should we first turn left to "do" the upper reaches of the SSYN? Is it nice, or is it all a bit industrial / bleak / big wide expanses of boring waterway? On the plus side Nick you might bump into John, Jayne, Taff and myself on the Trent as we are on it from Sunday for 10 days or so,. We will be in Sabina so cant miss us as she is so large May do, but we aren't leaving Fazeley until Tuesday. Will keep a look out!
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 5, 2018 14:20:52 GMT
Yes ok Keadby, a slip of the b! I seem to recall you used to say that it was best to go down towards the end of the ebb so as to get to keadby at slack low water, as opposed to the more normal advice to leave just as the ebb started or even before? But with presumably virtually no fresh coming down is that still a good idea - no fresh = possibly insufficient water at low tide and less current to fight turning into the lock at mid-tide? hang on a minute. Is this Nick asking Tony for advice? Definately worth a quote. I'm just testing to see if he will answer courteously or whether he is sulking. Actually I suspect it will be the former.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 5, 2018 14:21:17 GMT
Yes ok Keadby, a slip of the b! I seem to recall you used to say that it was best to go down towards the end of the ebb so as to get to keadby at slack low water, as opposed to the more normal advice to leave just as the ebb started or even before? But with presumably virtually no fresh coming down is that still a good idea - no fresh = possibly insufficient water at low tide and less current to fight turning into the lock at mid-tide? So ironic I'll quote it again. Anything to knock your post count up.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 5, 2018 14:25:16 GMT
With only a few days to go before the 5th anniversary of the last barge loads of sand and gravel leaving Besthorpe Wharf (just downriver from Cromwell Lock) on the Trent, it may well be that the complete absence of daily, deep-draughted (up to 8 feet) commercial traffic will have resulted in some significant changes to the deep water/navigable channel, and the depths available in that channel, from Besthorpe to Gainsborough and a few spots even further down, . . . possibly even as far down as Keady . . . I seem to recall you used to say that it was best to go down towards the end of the ebb so as to get to keadby at slack low water, as opposed to the more normal advice to leave just as the ebb started or even before? . . . . . . No, you've got that completely arse-about-face, . . . there are places such as Marton Rack that are best tackled no more than an hour or so before Flood (LW) by people who don't know the river well enough to be certain they're not going to ground on the steep-to egdes of the hard marl along side the deep water channel, but for going into the canal at either Stockwith or Keadby local HW is the best time to aim for, with the river nigh on making a level with the canal and the tide dropping slack. Depth at Keadby and Stockwith around local LW is insufficient for anything drawing much more than a canoe.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 5, 2018 14:37:28 GMT
. . . I seem to recall you used to say that it was best to go down towards the end of the ebb so as to get to keadby at slack low water, as opposed to the more normal advice to leave just as the ebb started or even before? . . . . . . No, you've got that completely arse-about-face, . . . there are places such as Marton Rack that are best tackled no more than an hour or so before Flood (LW) by people who don't know the river well enough to be certain they're not going to ground on the steep-to egdes of the hard marl along side the deep water channel, but for going into the canal at either Stockwith or Keadby local HW is the best time to aim for, with the river nigh on making a level with the canal and the tide dropping slack. Depth at Keadby and Stockwith around local LW is insufficient for anything drawing much more than a canoe. Thanks, so have I got this right? Set off (going down stream) mid-ebb and go through LW, hitting and riding the flood so as to arrive at Stockwith or Keadby at HW? I guess that would be mostly going with the ebb but fighting the flood for an hour or two?
Just wondering whether to go direct from Cromwell to Stockwith, or stop at Torksey to await the next tide. 32 miles is quite a lot to do in a day esp if the timing of the tides aren't great (haven't looked at that yet).
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Post by kris on Jul 5, 2018 14:38:08 GMT
hang on a minute. Is this Nick asking Tony for advice? Definately worth a quote. I'm just testing to see if he will answer courteously or whether he is sulking. Actually I suspect it will be the former. If I was Tony I'd just tell you to fuck off.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 5, 2018 14:38:45 GMT
hang on a minute. Is this Nick asking Tony for advice? Definately worth a quote. I'm just testing to see if he will answer courteously or whether he is sulking. Actually I suspect it will be the former. … and anyway, it would be exactly the same if he asked some electrical question of me. Petty bickering is one thing but when asked for help, we are both the types to oblige even if we have "history"!
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 5, 2018 14:39:13 GMT
I'm just testing to see if he will answer courteously or whether he is sulking. Actually I suspect it will be the former. If I was Tony I'd just tell you to fuck off. Of course you would. But you aren't Tony! If you asked for electrical help I would give it but I suspect you couldn't bring yourself to receive it. Which is your problem, not mine!
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Post by kris on Jul 5, 2018 14:40:42 GMT
If I was Tony I'd just tell you to fuck off. Of course you would. But you aren't Tony! After some of the things you've said about him and to him your lucky he'll give you the time of day.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 5, 2018 15:01:53 GMT
Of course you would. But you aren't Tony! After some of the things you've said about him and to him your lucky he'll give you the time of day. But he has said exactly the same sorts of things about me and to me. Worse, IMO. So what? Not everyone’s lives are ruled by anger, revenge and mean-spiritedness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 16:55:18 GMT
Nothing to do with me, but of course if we all skip the unpleasantness and name calling, all that's left is the good advice and jovial banter.
No need for anger, revenge or mean spiritedness at all.
Rog
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