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Post by Telemachus on Jan 22, 2019 15:08:25 GMT
But I moved onto the boat for an easy life......... I'm just pointing out the legal situation. It's polite to phone and let them know, before you over stay, but all this business about crt have given me permission is rubbish. It just adds to their delusions of power, they can't rewrite the law the same as you can't. No you are wrong Kris, and just as guilty of rewriting the law as CRT are. The law says: “ii)the applicant for the relevant consent satisfies the Board that the vessel to which the application relates will be used bona fide for navigation throughout the period for which the consent is valid without remaining continuously in any one place for more than 14 days or such longer period as is reasonable in the circumstances.” All one sentence which begins by requiring the applicant to satisfy the board that, amongst other things, any stay in one place beyond 14 days is reasonable in the circumstances. It certainly doesn’t say it is up to the individual boater to determine what is reasonable and what isn’t. The very best you could hope for was that the determination of reasonableness would be up to a court. Most people prefer not to go through life fighting completely unnecessary legal battles that they are likely to lose. If you want to make up the law to suit your own purposes well I suppose that is fine because you will have to live with the consequences. But if you do, I will start calling you “Richard”. If you encourage other people to follow your imagination of the law, you just lead them into potential trouble. And that is not a nice thing to do.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 22, 2019 15:19:07 GMT
And on a more boaty related theme - tomorrow I need to phone CRT to see if they will allow me to overstay - parts on order but won't be ready until Weds at earliest - a bit of lee way can go a long way... Just to say CRT have given me permission to overstay if I need it - well done CRT. creep
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 15:25:42 GMT
I'm just pointing out the legal situation. It's polite to phone and let them know, before you over stay, but all this business about crt have given me permission is rubbish. It just adds to their delusions of power, they can't rewrite the law the same as you can't. No you are wrong Kris, and just as guilty of rewriting the law as CRT are. The law says: “ii)the applicant for the relevant consent satisfies the Board that the vessel to which the application relates will be used bona fide for navigation throughout the period for which the consent is valid without remaining continuously in any one place for more than 14 days or such longer period as is reasonable in the circumstances.” All one sentence which begins by requiring the applicant to satisfy the board that, amongst other things, any stay in one place beyond 14 days is reasonable in the circumstances. It certainly doesn’t say it is up to the individual boater to determine what is reasonable and what isn’t. The very best you could hope for was that the determination of reasonableness would be up to a court. Most people prefer not to go through life fighting completely unnecessary legal battles that they are likely to lose. If you want to make up the law to suit your own purposes well I suppose that is fine because you will have to live with the consequences. But if you do, I will start calling you “Richard”. If you encourage other people to follow your imagination of the law, you just lead them into potential trouble. And that is not a nice thing to do. He's not making up the law. He has stated what even CRT themselves recognise. You contact them to inform them of your circumstances and solutions, you don't need to ask.
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Post by kris on Jan 22, 2019 15:39:15 GMT
I'm just pointing out the legal situation. It's polite to phone and let them know, before you over stay, but all this business about crt have given me permission is rubbish. It just adds to their delusions of power, they can't rewrite the law the same as you can't. No you are wrong Kris, and just as guilty of rewriting the law as CRT are. The law says: “ii)the applicant for the relevant consent satisfies the Board that the vessel to which the application relates will be used bona fide for navigation throughout the period for which the consent is valid without remaining continuously in any one place for more than 14 days or such longer period as is reasonable in the circumstances.” All one sentence which begins by requiring the applicant to satisfy the board that, amongst other things, any stay in one place beyond 14 days is reasonable in the circumstances. It certainly doesn’t say it is up to the individual boater to determine what is reasonable and what isn’t. The very best you could hope for was that the determination of reasonableness would be up to a court. Most people prefer not to go through life fighting completely unnecessary legal battles that they are likely to lose. If you want to make up the law to suit your own purposes well I suppose that is fine because you will have to live with the consequences. But if you do, I will start calling you “Richard”. If you encourage other people to follow your imagination of the law, you just lead them into potential trouble. And that is not a nice thing to do. Yawn! I suppose it depends if you like taking it up the ass or not.
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Post by thebfg on Jan 22, 2019 16:06:33 GMT
What's that got to do with anything? If you own a dog, you are morally obliged to clear up after it, If you cant be arsed, whether you have a doggy bag or not, you are an irresponsible twat!
It's got do with the law and zero tolerance. In some places (increasing), if I get off the boat with the dog and forget the poo bags I've already committed an offence and if zero tolerance is applied I should pay the fine. Doesn't matter even if I pick up the shite with my hands I've still committed a crime. I'm lost. what offence are you comiting.by walking a dog without a poo bag. as long as you pick it surely no offence is committed.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 22, 2019 16:08:04 GMT
It's got do with the law and zero tolerance. In some places (increasing), if I get off the boat with the dog and forget the poo bags I've already committed an offence and if zero tolerance is applied I should pay the fine. Doesn't matter even if I pick up the shite with my hands I've still committed a crime. I'm lost. what offence are you comiting.by walking a dog without a poo bag. as long as you pick it surely no offence is committed. If you pick the dog up, you are not really walking it are you!
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Post by kris on Jan 22, 2019 16:09:45 GMT
It's got do with the law and zero tolerance. In some places (increasing), if I get off the boat with the dog and forget the poo bags I've already committed an offence and if zero tolerance is applied I should pay the fine. Doesn't matter even if I pick up the shite with my hands I've still committed a crime. I'm lost. what offence are you comiting.by walking a dog without a poo bag. as long as you pick it surely no offence is committed. I have seen signs recently saying it's an offence to not have poo bags on your person when walking a dog. If this is actually law (bylaw) or just one of these silly civil contract things I'm not sure.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 22, 2019 16:10:30 GMT
No you are wrong Kris, and just as guilty of rewriting the law as CRT are. The law says: “ii)the applicant for the relevant consent satisfies the Board that the vessel to which the application relates will be used bona fide for navigation throughout the period for which the consent is valid without remaining continuously in any one place for more than 14 days or such longer period as is reasonable in the circumstances.” All one sentence which begins by requiring the applicant to satisfy the board that, amongst other things, any stay in one place beyond 14 days is reasonable in the circumstances. It certainly doesn’t say it is up to the individual boater to determine what is reasonable and what isn’t. The very best you could hope for was that the determination of reasonableness would be up to a court. Most people prefer not to go through life fighting completely unnecessary legal battles that they are likely to lose. If you want to make up the law to suit your own purposes well I suppose that is fine because you will have to live with the consequences. But if you do, I will start calling you “Richard”. If you encourage other people to follow your imagination of the law, you just lead them into potential trouble. And that is not a nice thing to do. He's not making up the law. He has stated what even CRT themselves recognise. You contact them to inform them of your circumstances and solutions, you don't need to ask. You contact them to inform them of your circumstances and solutions. They then decide whether you are being reasonable or not. If ”not” then they will tell you so. You can call it something else if you like, but it ends up being that you tell them the issue, they tell you whether you can stay longer than 14 days, or not. Which most people would call “permission”. If you don’t receive “permission” because CRT think you are not being reasonable, you are in breach of your licence according to the law.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 16:14:18 GMT
It's got do with the law and zero tolerance. In some places (increasing), if I get off the boat with the dog and forget the poo bags I've already committed an offence and if zero tolerance is applied I should pay the fine. Doesn't matter even if I pick up the shite with my hands I've still committed a crime. I'm lost. what offence are you comiting.by walking a dog without a poo bag. as long as you pick it surely no offence is committed. I was intrigued by that as well. Have some councils put it into bye laws that you must carry a small plastic bag? Quite shocking if true but it would explain the massive increase in the number of little decorations hanging in the trees. Eta I think its a shit idea personally.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 16:24:22 GMT
He's not making up the law. He has stated what even CRT themselves recognise. You contact them to inform them of your circumstances and solutions, you don't need to ask. You contact them to inform them of your circumstances and solutions. They then decide whether you are being reasonable or not. If ”not” then they will tell you so. You can call it something else if you like, but it ends up being that you tell them the issue, they tell you whether you can stay longer than 14 days, or not. Which most people would call “permission”. If you don’t receive “permission” because CRT think you are not being reasonable, you are in breach of your licence according to the law. As usual you set out to ignite a subject in order to pass a few hours of boredom. Shut up nick, you're boring. Go make some friends or something. You seem to constantly live on the internet. Christ, is that all you have?
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 22, 2019 16:41:35 GMT
You contact them to inform them of your circumstances and solutions. They then decide whether you are being reasonable or not. If ”not” then they will tell you so. You can call it something else if you like, but it ends up being that you tell them the issue, they tell you whether you can stay longer than 14 days, or not. Which most people would call “permission”. If you don’t receive “permission” because CRT think you are not being reasonable, you are in breach of your licence according to the law. As usual you set out to ignite a subject in order to pass a few hours of boredom. Shut up nick, you're boring. Go make some friends or something. You seem to constantly live on the internet. Christ, is that all you have? And there was me thinking I hadn’t posted on here much recently - I was worried that you might be missing me
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 16:49:44 GMT
As usual you set out to ignite a subject in order to pass a few hours of boredom. Shut up nick, you're boring. Go make some friends or something. You seem to constantly live on the internet. Christ, is that all you have? And there was me thinking I hadn’t posted on here much recently - I was worried that you might be missing me I wouldn't want you to leave, but I feel sorry for you that you seem to have no life outside of internet forums.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 22, 2019 16:59:19 GMT
And there was me thinking I hadn’t posted on here much recently - I was worried that you might be missing me I wouldn't want you to leave, but I feel sorry for you that you seem to have no life outside of internet forums. Odd. We have just taken the boat up 38 locks into Birmingham, watched Strictly Live show. Then taken boat 38 locks back. Which is probably more boating than you do in a year. In 2019 I have been gliding several times, last flight to over 10,000’ (and looked down on Mr EasyJet going into Inverness). I also have a microprocessor / electronics project on the go and have recenty learnt C programming. Plus lots of other stuff. It is only because I am not from this planet that I also have time to occasionally post on here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 17:03:27 GMT
I wouldn't want you to leave, but I feel sorry for you that you seem to have no life outside of internet forums. Odd. We have just taken the boat up 38 locks into Birmingham, watched Strictly Live show. Then taken boat 38 locks back. Which is probably more boating than you do in a year. In 2019 I have been gliding several times, last flight to over 10,000’ (and looked down on Mr EasyJet going into Inverness). I also have a microprocessor / electronics project on the go and have recenty learnt C programming. Plus lots of other stuff. It is only because I am not from this planet that I also have time to occasionally post on here. ...Uranus? snigger.... Out of curiosity Nick, what’s the project?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 17:05:12 GMT
Anyway That's interesting what kris said about needing to have shitbags on your person. I wonder how the signage was worded. Something like this ? "Got a dog but no shit bag? Your in deep shit - no shit".
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