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Post by thebfg on May 27, 2019 18:17:47 GMT
28 + 75 = 100 I see now why you haven't really got a grasp on this situation. Rog It's the same maths used for the 35% 40%. Flawed. And sour grapes. Were going to leave and need to accept change. What is everyone scared off? Oh the lies and propaganda used by the remainers. Did you see what I did, there.
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Post by thebfg on May 27, 2019 18:19:50 GMT
What about if everyone who didn't vote was assumed to be happy with the existing arrangements. After all if they were not happy about it the option was there to change things. Your right, if people are happy we are brexiting and dont need any EU representatives then yes you wouldent bother voting.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 18:27:13 GMT
The concern now is that the only agreement reached in parliament during the 'indicative votes' debacle, was a massive majority voting to prevent any 'no deal' brexit.
I realise that vote wasn't binding, but it indicates parliaments views on any Brexit on WTO rules only.
So if they cannot agree a deal to leave, and can only agree not to leave without a deal, and the EU refuse to negotiate a new deal, I cannot see a way forward.
Even if we have a general election I fail to see room for manoeuvre.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 18:29:25 GMT
What about if everyone who didn't vote was assumed to be happy with the existing arrangements. After all if they were not happy about it the option was there to change things. Your right, if people are happy we are brexiting and dont need any EU representatives then yes you wouldent bother voting. I was thinking of all elections or plebiscites. Make it law that if you are eligible to vote and choose not to then your vote will be counted as in favour of the existing government or no change in the case of a plebiscite. So for example if there was a plebiscite on the death penalty and it resulted in a 80% turnout with a result of 60:40 in favour of death penalty then the end vote would in fact be 6x8 in favour and 4x8 against plus the 20% who did not vote so the result would be 48:52% in favour of no death penalty despite the actual vote implying differently. It would be a much more responsible way to deal with voter apathy.
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 27, 2019 18:51:31 GMT
I think we all know that the outcome will be remain, either fully, or a version of 'Brexit' that equates to remain. The interesting thing will be whether the country remains a stable place after this.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 21:20:35 GMT
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Post by patty on May 28, 2019 7:02:53 GMT
I cannot see a way out of the muddled mess this country is in... However 'Brits' are renowned to be good in crises so hopefully we will get through and in a few years will look back and realise..'Storm in teacup'
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Post by phil70 on May 28, 2019 8:24:14 GMT
Hard to believe that after the shenanigans of the last 3 years and the fact that the government won't deliver on their promise for Brexit Corbyn is suggesting another referendum KINELL what is he thinking, they still haven't fulfilled their obligation on the last one. Phil
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 28, 2019 8:47:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 8:51:53 GMT
Listening and reading some of the political statements from MPs this morning, the attempts at spin are utterly absurd. We really need a general election I think, as most are simply shouting for a referendum on Brexit simply to avoid losing their seats. We really need to get rid of the career politician. The likes of cooper, hunt, Corbyn etc need to be kicked into touch.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 9:03:20 GMT
Listening and reading some of the political statements from MPs this morning, the attempts at spin are utterly absurd. We really need a general election I think, as most are simply shouting for a referendum on Brexit simply to avoid losing their seats. We really need to get rid of the career politician. The likes of cooper, hunt, Corbyn etc need to be kicked into touch. I’m just wondering whether there is such a thing as a ‘non-career politician’? Can anyone think of one they’d vote in? I can’t at the moment.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 28, 2019 9:38:17 GMT
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Post by thebfg on May 28, 2019 19:43:55 GMT
I've just realised labour's darling Tony Blair got a share of 35.2% which gave him a 66 seat majority to get into power.
I cant remember anyone claiming that 64% of voters voted for someone else so he should not of been PM.
Oh yeah, we know how the voting system works.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 8:09:31 GMT
The poor quality of choice for leader of the conservatives was looking hopeless, but I see James cleverly has entered the arena. Hopefully he will win it. In my view, he's the best for the job.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 10:25:36 GMT
Alistair Campbell expelled from the Labour Party, because he admitted voting Liberal at the EU elections.
Considering Labour have no recognisable EU policy, and the very many thousands of members, who must have voted elsewhere too, this surely adds to the mayhem and nonsense of modern politics (whatever personal views one holds of Campbell).
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