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Post by haulierp on Aug 9, 2016 11:29:47 GMT
The trouble with these Projects,this one doesn't even come with an engine,is that they are generally bought by people who have neither the Financial Resource nor the Capability to restore them.They inevitably sit for months even years before CRT have to take Enforcement Action which costs us all in the end. You really come across as quite obnoxious sometimes. If it wasn't for people mad enough to take on these huge projects, half the boats on the Historic Ships register would have gone to scrap yards. The people who take them on often don't have the finances to do the job but manage it anyway. It is only due to their enthusiasm and often blind dogged determination to find the money somehow, that many historic vessels are still in existence. Its a fair point I make whether you like it or not John and it doesn't just pertain to Historic Ships either.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 9, 2016 11:33:30 GMT
You really come across as quite obnoxious sometimes. If it wasn't for people mad enough to take on these huge projects, half the boats on the Historic Ships register would have gone to scrap yards. The people who take them on often don't have the finances to do the job but manage it anyway. It is only due to their enthusiasm and often blind dogged determination to find the money somehow, that many historic vessels are still in existence. Sometimes those who claim they worked up from poverty to financial weathiness are the worst at rubbing it in people's faces. Nobody is perfect though. I find many of those who were born into money don't feel the need to do that. Sharing one's fortune and time usually get's more respect. To be fair to Paul, he has put a hand out. I don't know what your talking about regarding money and rubbing it in peoples faces,its the viability and eventual likelihood or not of these boats being restored thats being talked about here.It seems you can't post a contrary opinion on here,instead of being moderated you get abused instead.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 9, 2016 11:42:42 GMT
You really come across as quite obnoxious sometimes. If it wasn't for people mad enough to take on these huge projects, half the boats on the Historic Ships register would have gone to scrap yards. The people who take them on often don't have the finances to do the job but manage it anyway. It is only due to their enthusiasm and often blind dogged determination to find the money somehow, that many historic vessels are still in existence. Its a fair point I make whether you like it or not John and it doesn't just pertain to Historic Ships either. It is not a fair point. Most of the historic machines / industrial archaeological sites / transport has been preserved by the efforts of enthusiasts working on a total shoestring often banding together in groups. There are damn few rich sponsors for these unpopular and unglamourous projects, they stick to the prestige projects where they can have a plaque put up with their name to show how generous they are
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Post by haulierp on Aug 9, 2016 11:46:39 GMT
Its a fair point I make whether you like it or not John and it doesn't just pertain to Historic Ships either. It is not a fair point. Most of the historic machines / industrial archaeological sites / transport has been preserved by the efforts of enthusiasts working on a total shoestring often banding together in groups. There are damn few rich sponsors for these unpopular and unglamourous projects, they stick to the prestige projects where they can have a plaque put up with their name to show how generous they are It is a fair point,because sections of the canal are littered with unfinished projects at various stages of the Enforcement Process, thats why they end up on Ebay,in order to find another mug.It does you know credit to label me obnoxious for saying so either.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 9, 2016 11:50:45 GMT
Its a fair point I make whether you like it or not John and it doesn't just pertain to Historic Ships either. It is not a fair point. Most of the historic machines / industrial archaeological sites / transport has been preserved by the efforts of enthusiasts working on a total shoestring often banding together in groups. There are damn few rich sponsors for these unpopular and unglamourous projects, they stick to the prestige projects where they can have a plaque put up with their name to show how generous they are I am well aware of the role enthusiasts play in these projects,I have financially donated to many of them but they can't all be saved and some in any case are more important than others historically
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Post by JohnV on Aug 9, 2016 11:59:12 GMT
You were being obnoxious and extremely condescending.
You seem to forget that I bought a 1929 Humber barge in far worse condition than the one in that advert appears to be.
I spent all my money just buying the hull and had to wait well over a year before I had managed to save enough money to pay for a crane to lift her.
Each stage was spaced by long periods of inactivity as I saved for the next bit
So I take your rather crass post as an insult
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Post by kris on Aug 9, 2016 12:07:31 GMT
You were being obnoxious and extremely condescending. You seem to forget that I bought a 1929 Humber barge in far worse condition than the one in that advert appears to be. I spent all my money just buying the hull and had to wait well over a year before I had managed to save enough money to pay for a crane to lift her. Each stage was spaced by long periods of inactivity as I saved for the next bit So I take your rather crass post as an insult well done John for taking on sabina H, I bet you get a lot of pleasure from her now. Remembering the trials and tribulations of getting her to her current state. I would love to see some photos at some stage, especially of the work in progress as this will encourage me to do s bit more on mine.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 9, 2016 12:15:09 GMT
You were being obnoxious and extremely condescending. You seem to forget that I bought a 1929 Humber barge in far worse condition than the one in that advert appears to be. I spent all my money just buying the hull and had to wait well over a year before I had managed to save enough money to pay for a crane to lift her. Each stage was spaced by long periods of inactivity as I saved for the next bit So I take your rather crass post as an insult Its neither crass nor insulting because I suggest you are the exception rather than the rule, no one is arguing about anyones right to do as you have done but simply pointing out some facts which you seem intent on denying.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 9, 2016 12:37:53 GMT
You were being obnoxious and extremely condescending. You seem to forget that I bought a 1929 Humber barge in far worse condition than the one in that advert appears to be. I spent all my money just buying the hull and had to wait well over a year before I had managed to save enough money to pay for a crane to lift her. Each stage was spaced by long periods of inactivity as I saved for the next bit So I take your rather crass post as an insult Its neither crass nor insulting because I suggest you are the exception rather than the rule, no one is arguing about anyones right to do as you have done but simply pointing out some facts which you seem intent on denying. What facts have I denied ? You did not suggest I was an exception, I suggest you read your post. You sit and sneer at the ones who failed to finish their projects but they at least had the courage to put their money (even if it was not a lot) where their mouth was. Yes there are dreamers who lack the determination to get to completion. There are also many who fail because of changes in personal circumstances or ill health. In any field there are more failures than successes, but without the dreamers and enthusiasts there would be no successes I repeat I found your post sneering, condescending and insulting
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Post by cds on Aug 9, 2016 12:44:03 GMT
haulier p I am the ghost of your posts that have gone before, change your ways before it is to late. listen to what people are trying to tell you.
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Post by peterboat on Aug 9, 2016 13:03:44 GMT
As I said earlier I looked at those 3 big boats this weekend, and am amazed that somebody has converted a 130 foot boat into a living boat, [they had to chop off 50 odd feet first some task and a majestic beauty that narrowboats will never know
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Post by kris on Aug 9, 2016 13:06:13 GMT
Exactly Peter I think In some ways they are the pinnacle of British boat building and in terms of quality of build and style they haven't been beat. In my opinion of course.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 9, 2016 16:10:17 GMT
Its neither crass nor insulting because I suggest you are the exception rather than the rule, no one is arguing about anyones right to do as you have done but simply pointing out some facts which you seem intent on denying. What facts have I denied ? You did not suggest I was an exception, I suggest you read your post. You sit and sneer at the ones who failed to finish their projects but they at least had the courage to put their money (even if it was not a lot) where their mouth was. Yes there are dreamers who lack the determination to get to completion. There are also many who fail because of changes in personal circumstances or ill health. In any field there are more failures than successes, but without the dreamers and enthusiasts there would be no successes I repeat I found your post sneering, condescending and insulting I found your posts condescending and insulting also,I haven't sat and sneered at anyone but pointed out the amount of unfinished projects that litter the cut under various stages of Enforcement which costs the CRT money.Is this not the case ? because there are two towed this week to Willowbridge Marina,one from the Black Horse and one from Wolverton.Everyone can dream,its the waking up to reality thats the issue.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 9, 2016 16:13:14 GMT
haulier p I am the ghost of your posts that have gone before, change your ways before it is to late. listen to what people are trying to tell you. Your nothing more than a clown that doesn't have the Guts to put your own name to your Avatar,instead trying to score points using someone else's you have no credibility so feel free to join in.
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Post by PaulG2 on Aug 9, 2016 16:16:03 GMT
I hate to break up a good argument, but it's interesting to note the cultural difference (across the pond) on display here. To varying degrees you Brits all seem to have a great deal of ingrained respect for your past, and the many things that need to be preserved to properly preserve that heritage. I live in California, which didn't have much heritage, other than aboriginal, before the 19th century, and most of that heritage, other than in San Francisco, Eurika and some of those surrounding areas has been destroyed. Part of this is because of earthquakes, part of it is just economic greed and not giving a damn about heritage.
Other than the beautiful Victorian housing in NorCal, the California Missions are about the only link we have, architecturally, to the past. Much of our architecture has been destroyed because it was built before there were earthquake standards and the buildings simply couldn't withstand the forces of nature. But there is another aspect to our lack of heritage here, and that is the fact that money and greed trump any respect for the past. Los Angeles, for example, used to have neighborhoods with beautiful Victorian homes. Those neighborhoods have, for the most part, been completely destroyed to make way for either commercial development or McMansions.
Once upon a time the cities here were resplendent with stunning examples, big and small, of the Art Deco era. Most of those buildings have seen the wrecking ball for no reason other than to put something more profitable in their place. Downtown LA used to have an abundance of architecturally significant commercial buildings which have, for the most part, been destroyed to make way for glass-walled monstrosities. Once upon a time there was a magnificent place here called the Ambassador Hotel. I remember my father taking me there as a teenager to see my first live music performance - it was Lou Rawls performing at the famous Coconut Grove. The Ambassador was demolished in 2005 to make way, as I recall, for a multi-million dollar Los Angeles Unified School District boondoggle.
Whilst it's a bit discouraging to witness you gents vying to see who can piss highest up the lamppost, I salute you for the fact that you all have the convictions that there is something worth arguing about. If that vessel were here in California, the only argument would be about who would be responsible for hauling it to the scrapyard.
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