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Post by haulierp on Aug 9, 2016 16:27:58 GMT
I certainly wouldn't say haul it to the scrapyard,but these project boats have a social and ecological impact when they are abandoned
as well as a financial one for the Authority concerned and by default the License Payer. Johnv seems to feel it is akin to sacrilege to
suggest that and immediately takes offence,it is similar to the attitude when the Steam Engines were scrapped, totally Luddite and
nonsensical. Its a free unmoderated forum,don't I have the right to pitch a contrary argument.
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Post by kris on Aug 9, 2016 16:33:04 GMT
Whilst it's a bit discouraging to witness you gents vying to see who can piss highest up the lamppost, I salute you for the fact that you all have the convictions that there is something worth arguing about. If that vessel were here in California, the only argument would be about who would be responsible for hauling it to the scrapyard. thats where you going wrong you see because that boat easily got another 60years in it. But then you can't really take any where seriously that votes Arny in as governor. Pity such a fucked up culture has developed in such a beautiful place. But hey ho. |
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Post by kris on Aug 9, 2016 16:34:08 GMT
haulier p I am the ghost of your posts that have gone before, change your ways before it is to late. listen to what people are trying to tell you. Your nothing more than a clown that doesn't have the Guts to put your own name to your Avatar,instead trying to score points using someone else's you have no credibility so feel free to join in. arent you the one who posted as your girl friend? |
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Post by haulierp on Aug 9, 2016 16:36:46 GMT
Your nothing more than a clown that doesn't have the Guts to put your own name to your Avatar,instead trying to score points using someone else's you have no credibility so feel free to join in. arent you the one who posted as your girl friend? No I never,I have told you it was a sock puppet and as usual you don't want to hear the truth as it doesn't fit with your favoured narrative. |
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Post by kris on Aug 9, 2016 16:40:31 GMT
The truth that I see is you have shown how obnoxious you really are in the last few days. What ever your forum id is.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 9, 2016 17:07:56 GMT
The truth that I see is you have shown how obnoxious you really are in the last few days. What ever your forum id is. Your Mentally Sick with a Personality Disorder.You are absolutely consumed with rage when you see me post another thread that you lack the intelligence to contribute to,and so it begins. I even left the Forum for a bit of peace and what was the first thing you did ? You started a thread on here called Haulier P is CDS with the sole aim of getting me barred from CWDF. This is how consumed with jealousy and rage you have let yourself become and this is how you will always be easy for me,your weak. |
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Post by JohnV on Aug 9, 2016 17:09:38 GMT
I certainly wouldn't say haul it to the scrapyard,but these project boats have a social and ecological impact when they are abandoned
as well as a financial one for the Authority concerned and by default the License Payer. Johnv seems to feel it is akin to sacrilege to suggest that and immediately takes offence,it is similar to the attitude when the Steam Engines were scrapped, totally Luddite and nonsensical. Its a free unmoderated forum,don't I have the right to pitch a contrary argument. Faulty logic ....... there is no difference in the ecological, social or financial impact involved in the scrapping of a boat after someone has attempted to preserve it than there is before they try. As regards the scrapping f steam engines, if someone had rescued just one of the 49 Peppercorn A1 Pacifics there would have been no requirement to spend a million quid building a new one (the Tornado) |
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Post by haulierp on Aug 9, 2016 17:14:04 GMT
The truth that I see is you have shown how obnoxious you really are in the last few days. What ever your forum id is. I can be as obnoxious as I like to you,because that is all you have ever been to me. I take advice and let it rest,but you can't because your consumed by me,every waking minute of every day, you count my posts,scan them for any reference to you and when you find none,you manufacture offence so you can begin the cycle all over again. |
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Post by haulierp on Aug 9, 2016 17:25:46 GMT
I certainly wouldn't say haul it to the scrapyard,but these project boats have a social and ecological impact when they are abandoned
as well as a financial one for the Authority concerned and by default the License Payer. Johnv seems to feel it is akin to sacrilege to suggest that and immediately takes offence,it is similar to the attitude when the Steam Engines were scrapped, totally Luddite and nonsensical. Its a free unmoderated forum,don't I have the right to pitch a contrary argument. Faulty logic ....... there is no difference in the ecological, social or financial impact involved in the scrapping of a boat after someone has attempted to preserve it than there is before they try. As regards the scrapping f steam engines, if someone had rescued just one of the 49 Peppercorn A1 Pacifics there would have been no requirement to spend a million quid building a new one (the Tornado) John respectfully and without any patronage of you whatsoever,I feel you overreacted to a simple point I was making. I understand its dear to your heart and I hope that you realise you enjoy my respect also. What I said, I believe to be factually correct because over the course of my boating life I have seen these projects end in enforcement with all that involves.I think we shall have to just differ on it and I am more than happy you provided opinion contrary to my own. |
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Post by PaulG2 on Aug 9, 2016 17:28:30 GMT
I certainly wouldn't say haul it to the scrapyard,but these project boats have a social and ecological impact when they are abandoned
as well as a financial one for the Authority concerned and by default the License Payer. Johnv seems to feel it is akin to sacrilege to suggest that and immediately takes offence,it is similar to the attitude when the Steam Engines were scrapped, totally Luddite and nonsensical. Its a free unmoderated forum,don't I have the right to pitch a contrary argument. Faulty logic ....... there is no difference in the ecological, social or financial impact involved in the scrapping of a boat after someone has attempted to preserve it than there is before they try. As regards the scrapping f steam engines, if someone had rescued just one of the 49 Peppercorn A1 Pacifics there would have been no requirement to spend a million quid building a new one (the Tornado) I remember driving through the California Mojave Desert as a kid and passing mile after mile of hiway where there were lines of old cars, model A's, Model T's - every kind of car ever made during the 1920's and 1930's - all lined up and abandoned to keep the sand from blowing onto the road. It was a perfect example of our culture that everything is disposable and we should think out with the old, in with the new. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 9, 2016 17:36:58 GMT
I hate to break up a good argument, but it's interesting to note the cultural difference (across the pond) on display here. To varying degrees you Brits all seem to have a great deal of ingrained respect for your past, and the many things that need to be preserved to properly preserve that heritage. I live in California, which didn't have much heritage, other than aboriginal, before the 19th century, and most of that heritage, other than in San Francisco, Eurika and some of those surrounding areas has been destroyed. Part of this is because of earthquakes, part of it is just economic greed and not giving a damn about heritage. Other than the beautiful Victorian housing in NorCal, the California Missions are about the only link we have, architecturally, to the past. Much of our architecture has been destroyed because it was built before there were earthquake standards and the buildings simply couldn't withstand the forces of nature. But there is another aspect to our lack of heritage here, and that is the fact that money and greed trump any respect for the past. Los Angeles, for example, used to have neighborhoods with beautiful Victorian homes. Those neighborhoods have, for the most part, been completely destroyed to make way for either commercial development or McMansions. Once upon a time the cities here were resplendent with stunning examples, big and small, of the Art Deco era. Most of those buildings have seen the wrecking ball for no reason other than to put something more profitable in their place. Downtown LA used to have an abundance of architecturally significant commercial buildings which have, for the most part, been destroyed to make way for glass-walled monstrosities. Once upon a time there was a magnificent place here called the Ambassador Hotel. I remember my father taking me there as a teenager to see my first live music performance - it was Lou Rawls performing at the famous Coconut Grove. The Ambassador was demolished in 2005 to make way, as I recall, for a multi-million dollar Los Angeles Unified School District boondoggle. Whilst it's a bit discouraging to witness you gents vying to see who can piss highest up the lamppost, I salute you for the fact that you all have the convictions that there is something worth arguing about. If that vessel were here in California, the only argument would be about who would be responsible for hauling it to the scrapyard. A very well made point, although we in the UK are not immune to the habit of demolishing beautiful and historic buildings in order to build supermarkets. As to this long-running and rather puerile spat between a couple of members, it seems to serve no real purpose and I wish they would just take it to PM rather than hanging out their dirty laundry in public for all to see. |
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Post by tomsk on Aug 9, 2016 18:00:14 GMT
I hate to break up a good argument, but it's interesting to note the cultural difference (across the pond) on display here. To varying degrees you Brits all seem to have a great deal of ingrained respect for your past, and the many things that need to be preserved to properly preserve that heritage. I live in California, which didn't have much heritage, other than aboriginal, before the 19th century, and most of that heritage, other than in San Francisco, Eurika and some of those surrounding areas has been destroyed. Part of this is because of earthquakes, part of it is just economic greed and not giving a damn about heritage. Other than the beautiful Victorian housing in NorCal, the California Missions are about the only link we have, architecturally, to the past. Much of our architecture has been destroyed because it was built before there were earthquake standards and the buildings simply couldn't withstand the forces of nature. But there is another aspect to our lack of heritage here, and that is the fact that money and greed trump any respect for the past. Los Angeles, for example, used to have neighborhoods with beautiful Victorian homes. Those neighborhoods have, for the most part, been completely destroyed to make way for either commercial development or McMansions. Once upon a time the cities here were resplendent with stunning examples, big and small, of the Art Deco era. Most of those buildings have seen the wrecking ball for no reason other than to put something more profitable in their place. Downtown LA used to have an abundance of architecturally significant commercial buildings which have, for the most part, been destroyed to make way for glass-walled monstrosities. Once upon a time there was a magnificent place here called the Ambassador Hotel. I remember my father taking me there as a teenager to see my first live music performance - it was Lou Rawls performing at the famous Coconut Grove. The Ambassador was demolished in 2005 to make way, as I recall, for a multi-million dollar Los Angeles Unified School District boondoggle. Whilst it's a bit discouraging to witness you gents vying to see who can piss highest up the lamppost, I salute you for the fact that you all have the convictions that there is something worth arguing about. If that vessel were here in California, the only argument would be about who would be responsible for hauling it to the scrapyard. Nice post  |
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Post by kris on Aug 9, 2016 18:07:42 GMT
The truth that I see is you have shown how obnoxious you really are in the last few days. What ever your forum id is. I can be as obnoxious as I like to you,because that is all you have ever been to me. I take advice and let it rest,but you can't because your consumed by me,every waking minute of every day, you count my posts,scan them for any reference to you and when you find none,you manufacture offence so you can begin the cycle all over again. Ithink you will find anti Semitic comments are illegal Paul, as well as being obnoxious. Even ken Livingston found that out. |
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Post by haulierp on Aug 9, 2016 18:28:38 GMT
I can be as obnoxious as I like to you,because that is all you have ever been to me. I take advice and let it rest,but you can't because your consumed by me,every waking minute of every day, you count my posts,scan them for any reference to you and when you find none,you manufacture offence so you can begin the cycle all over again. Ithink you will find anti Semitic comments are illegal Paul, as well as being obnoxious. Even ken Livingston found that out. I said nothing anti semitic and neither did Ken Livingstone which is why he wasn't prosecuted |
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Post by kris on Aug 9, 2016 19:34:11 GMT
I hate to break up a good argument, but it's interesting to note the cultural difference (across the pond) on display here. To varying degrees you Brits all seem to have a great deal of ingrained respect for your past, and the many things that need to be preserved to properly preserve that heritage. I live in California, which didn't have much heritage, other than aboriginal, before the 19th century, and most of that heritage, other than in San Francisco, Eurika and some of those surrounding areas has been destroyed. Part of this is because of earthquakes, part of it is just economic greed and not giving a damn about heritage. Other than the beautiful Victorian housing in NorCal, the California Missions are about the only link we have, architecturally, to the past. Much of our architecture has been destroyed because it was built before there were earthquake standards and the buildings simply couldn't withstand the forces of nature. But there is another aspect to our lack of heritage here, and that is the fact that money and greed trump any respect for the past. Los Angeles, for example, used to have neighborhoods with beautiful Victorian homes. Those neighborhoods have, for the most part, been completely destroyed to make way for either commercial development or McMansions. Once upon a time the cities here were resplendent with stunning examples, big and small, of the Art Deco era. Most of those buildings have seen the wrecking ball for no reason other than to put something more profitable in their place. Downtown LA used to have an abundance of architecturally significant commercial buildings which have, for the most part, been destroyed to make way for glass-walled monstrosities. Once upon a time there was a magnificent place here called the Ambassador Hotel. I remember my father taking me there as a teenager to see my first live music performance - it was Lou Rawls performing at the famous Coconut Grove. The Ambassador was demolished in 2005 to make way, as I recall, for a multi-million dollar Los Angeles Unified School District boondoggle. Whilst it's a bit discouraging to witness you gents vying to see who can piss highest up the lamppost, I salute you for the fact that you all have the convictions that there is something worth arguing about. If that vessel were here in California, the only argument would be about who would be responsible for hauling it to the scrapyard. Nice post Twat |
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