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Post by JohnV on Nov 29, 2019 7:28:32 GMT
Good argument! Three years into volunteering and as far as I'm aware there has been just one complaint regarding the Wigan volunteers. That's quite a minority! Missives? Dross. I was not looking for an argument, I was merely pointing out that in my view, you're a twunt. You keep popping in to merely wind up nick norman, no other reason I can see. This serves to highlight the fact in my mind that you're just being a twunt. π Although I don't necessarily agree with the wording, it is noticeable that leyther only post on the two threads that directly concern this matter, There is sufficient "boating" threads on this forum that one would expect any non "twunt" to have added his h'apenny's worth somewhere
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 8:58:24 GMT
There's so many members posting here we should actively discourage anyone who disagrees from posting ... really ? Unlike other 'hit and run' type posters' (Mr End and his ilk) leyther has contributed to this thread, not just 'crayoned' all over it. It is interesting to hear from a C&RT volunteer, and if we wish to see changes, surely it is good to engage with the volunteers, rather than try to drive them away. I've said before, I have sympathy with Telemachus 's views on volunteers, but it has to be accepted that to the majority, they provide a great service and very many have no complaint with their help. I seem to recall Nick stating he first posted on this site to defend himself ... I hope leyther may feel free to add his views on other threads. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 9:10:10 GMT
There's so many members posting here we should actively discourage anyone who disagrees from posting ... really ? Unlike other 'hit and run' type posters' (Mr End and his ilk) leyther has contributed to this thread, not just 'crayoned' all over it. It is interesting to hear from a C&RT volunteer, and if we wish to see changes, surely it is good to engage with the volunteers, rather than try to drive them away. I've said before, I have sympathy with Telemachus 's views on volunteers, but it has to be accepted that to the majority, they provide a great service and very many have no complaint with their help. I seem to recall Nick stating he first posted on this site to defend himself ... I hope leyther may feel free to add his views on other threads. Rog I'm not seeking to stop anyone from posting. I was merely making a point which I felt was justified. In the cold frosty light of early morning, I still feel that my point is valid and appropriate.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 29, 2019 9:31:34 GMT
There's so many members posting here we should actively discourage anyone who disagrees from posting ... really ? I don't think I was objecting to someone posting on this site per se I was agreeing with Steve however that Leyther (eloquent or not) has limited his posts to this and the other wigan flight thread mostly in a tit for tat with Nick, whereas posts from a volly would be valid on many other threads, Pro or anti CRT
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 29, 2019 9:31:40 GMT
There's so many members posting here we should actively discourage anyone who disagrees from posting ... really ? Unlike other 'hit and run' type posters' (Mr End and his ilk) leyther has contributed to this thread, not just 'crayoned' all over it. It is interesting to hear from a C&RT volunteer, and if we wish to see changes, surely it is good to engage with the volunteers, rather than try to drive them away. I've said before, I have sympathy with Telemachus 's views on volunteers, but it has to be accepted that to the majority, they provide a great service and very many have no complaint with their help. I seem to recall Nick stating he first posted on this site to defend himself ... I hope leyther may feel free to add his views on other threads. Rog Where is your evidence that βto the majority, they provide a great service and...β? Or is it just your groundless presumption? I donβt have a problem with anyone, including Leyther, repeatedly posting on only one issue to the exclusion of anything else, but it does say a lot about this poster. Especially when he claims to be a boater. You would have thought he might have some interest in some other aspects of boating apart from (rather pathetically) attempting to defend the Wigan Trolley Dollies by attacking me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 9:36:54 GMT
There's so many members posting here we should actively discourage anyone who disagrees from posting ... really ? Unlike other 'hit and run' type posters' (Mr End and his ilk) leyther has contributed to this thread, not just 'crayoned' all over it. It is interesting to hear from a C&RT volunteer, and if we wish to see changes, surely it is good to engage with the volunteers, rather than try to drive them away. I've said before, I have sympathy with Telemachus 's views on volunteers, but it has to be accepted that to the majority, they provide a great service and very many have no complaint with their help. I seem to recall Nick stating he first posted on this site to defend himself ... I hope leyther may feel free to add his views on other threads. Rog attempting to defend the Wigan Trolley Dollies by attacking me. (Coughs)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 9:54:06 GMT
No problems with me chaps ... I like to see others views. As for the 'vast majority' crack Telemachus you have to speak as you find. As you and Mr Fincher are the only actual written complainers I have encountered since volunteers were introduced I believe it to be a reasonable suggestion. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 9:57:34 GMT
No problems with me chaps ... I like to see others views. As for the 'vast majority' crack Telemachus you have to speak as you find. As you and Mr Fincher are the only actual written complainers I have encountered since volunteers were introduced I believe it to be a reasonable suggestion. Rog He he.
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Post by kris on Nov 29, 2019 10:04:04 GMT
Is this not over yet?
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 29, 2019 10:13:39 GMT
No problems with me chaps ... I like to see others views. As for the 'vast majority' crack Telemachus you have to speak as you find. As you and Mr Fincher are the only actual written complainers I have encountered since volunteers were introduced I believe it to be a reasonable suggestion. Rog As you will be aware if you know anything of human nature, it is one thing to dislike/have a bit of a problem with something, but a step much further to get around to making a written complaint to CRT about it. Letβs face it, this forum is full of complaints about CRT in general, especially maintenance standards, but I suspect the majority of those complaining on here, have never made a formal complaint in writing to CRT. Therefore your point seems to have little or no validity. There are plenty of people on here and on CWDF who donβt much care for volockies interfering with their boatβs passage through locks, but for the reasons above not many have made a written complaint. But there are a few on CWDF apart from me an AF who have.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 29, 2019 10:14:31 GMT
No, just when it all quietens down, up pops Leyther to have another go. I guess he doesnβt have anything else in his life. Or (to be fair) i have yet another encounter with volunteers that irks me.
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Post by ianali on Nov 29, 2019 10:16:58 GMT
It will soon be Spring, then there will be new vollies to moan about. Lovely day here on the Ashby π
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 10:51:10 GMT
So the minority complain ... ergo the majority aren't anti volunteers. We all have occasional disagreements or unhappy experiences, but I don't believe occasional exceptions would justify scrapping the volunteer system. Other views are welcome Rog
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 11:21:32 GMT
The volunteer program is actually becoming an issue. Although CRT have categorically stated previously that volunteers would not replace paye, the fact is they are beginning to do just that. The bank staff often have volunteers working with them, covering days off and sickness days etc. This is fine until it comes to light that bank staff are slowly being replaced by stealth. Those leaving are not being replaced. I don't personally have an issue with volunteers, but reliability, consistency and knowledge come into play here. Almost all work is now contracted out, and I can see a time where CRT will have no paye bank staff, (quite possibly within the next 3-5 years). The state of the towpaths in the south east are a good example of neglect that has become apparent since the local bank staff have been reorganised. There is no doubt in my view whatsoever that the loss of lengthsmen is having a detrimental impact on the system.
One of the reasons for lack of recent offside vegetation management is the work now relies heavily on volunteers. Great, but on a cold wet miserable day, how many will actually bother to turn up? Most of this particular work is carried out during the winter months, and it is becoming increasingly apparent that the job is just not getting done.
CRT office staff outnumber bank paye staff by more than 4-1, and yet crt office staff can be frequently seen on Twitter stating "that's me finished for the day" at 10 or 11am.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 29, 2019 11:46:50 GMT
As you and Mr Fincher are the only actual written complainers I have encountered since volunteers were introduced I believe it to be a reasonable suggestion. Mike the Boilerbunny also hates them! Hate hate hate, double hate, loathe entirely!
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