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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 15:02:22 GMT
Nope just john the luddite If it was needed to save us all eating up the planet, I'd happily give up my Skoda and narrow boat to live a simple life working with the land. We have all enjoyed the benefits that came from the technological revolution but at what cost to our grandchildren? The Luddites just feared the end of their jobs, we are now getting to the point we are all fearing the end of humanity. Again the media give the impression everything is in control and the world is organised by well meaning folk. What do you believe is the truth? I'm not sure, but I can't see everything continuing as it is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 15:14:09 GMT
Nope just john the luddite If it was needed to save us all eating up the planet, I'd happily give up my Skoda and narrow boat to live a simple life working with the land. We have all enjoyed the benefits that came from the technological revolution but at what cost to our grandchildren? The Luddites just feared the end of their jobs, we are now getting to the point we are all fearing the end of humanity. Again the media give the impression everything is in control and the world is organised by well meaning folk. What do you believe is the truth? I'm not sure, but I can't see everything continuing as it is. I believe it is pretty much as I have posted and I am not showering myself with self praise when I say that.It is balanced on a precipice and I believe the media is giving us a false impression both by omission of fact and managing of content,the worst culprits are the BBC they to a large extent have sacrificed factual reporting and analysis for fear of Government cutting the License Fee.Its an absolute disgrace.People should be flocking to forums like this and live radio programmes because there is a dearth of educated and informed debate in this country and people who have a bit of intellect owe it to those that don't to keep talking,keep provoking and keep discussing,its almost the last bastion of freedom the ability to talk.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 9, 2016 15:28:20 GMT
Nope just john the luddite If it was needed to save us all eating up the planet, I'd happily give up my Skoda and narrow boat to live a simple life working with the land. We have all enjoyed the benefits that came from the technological revolution but at what cost to our grandchildren? The Luddites just feared the end of their jobs, we are now getting to the point we are all fearing the end of humanity. Again the media give the impression everything is in control and the world is organised by well meaning folk. What do you believe is the truth? I'm not sure, but I can't see everything continuing as it is. Returning to a simple agrarian society is no longer an option unless you are willing to allow a large proportion of the population to perish. Returning to a pastoral society sounds wonderful if you have an advanced technological society backing you up with all the things that you need, tools, tractors, fertiliser, distribution systems, storage systems etc etc. I for one would hate to be living a delightful simple way of life, complete with a medieval health service (well in fact I wouldn't, I would have been dead 15 years ago.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 15:28:25 GMT
If it was needed to save us all eating up the planet, I'd happily give up my Skoda and narrow boat to live a simple life working with the land. We have all enjoyed the benefits that came from the technological revolution but at what cost to our grandchildren? The Luddites just feared the end of their jobs, we are now getting to the point we are all fearing the end of humanity. Again the media give the impression everything is in control and the world is organised by well meaning folk. What do you believe is the truth? I'm not sure, but I can't see everything continuing as it is. I believe it is pretty much as I have posted and I am not showering myself with self praise when I say that.It is balanced on a precipice and I believe the media is giving us a false impression both by omission of fact and managing of content,the worst culprits are the BBC they to a large extent have sacrificed factual reporting and analysis for fear of Government cutting the License Fee.Its an absolute disgrace.People should be flocking to forums like this and live radio programmes because there is a dearth of educated and informed debate in this country and people who have a bit of intellect owe it to those that don't to keep talking,keep provoking and keep discussing,its almost the last bastion of freedom the ability to talk. Well I've been saying that other than the odd pub and private conversation, social media and forums are probably the last places where you are likely to hear the truth now...well that is while they have not been shut down or been over moderated! Those in power would do well to start listening to those who care and less to those that line their pockets...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 16:34:29 GMT
I believe it is pretty much as I have posted and I am not showering myself with self praise when I say that.It is balanced on a precipice and I believe the media is giving us a false impression both by omission of fact and managing of content,the worst culprits are the BBC they to a large extent have sacrificed factual reporting and analysis for fear of Government cutting the License Fee.Its an absolute disgrace.People should be flocking to forums like this and live radio programmes because there is a dearth of educated and informed debate in this country and people who have a bit of intellect owe it to those that don't to keep talking,keep provoking and keep discussing,its almost the last bastion of freedom the ability to talk. Well I've been saying that other than the odd pub and private conversation, social media and forums are probably the last places where you are likely to hear the truth now...well that is while they have not been shut down or been over moderated! Those in power would do well to start listening to those who care and less to those that line their pockets... You are spot on what you say about Social Media,I think Jenlyn was saying something similar in a previous post. I tell you something else about those in power and Brexit is a good example,as soon as the Public are given a referendum to decide the panic sets in because these are uncertain times and I think that could go for CRT too.Pick the issue and pick the place and we could see some real change,I think Kris posted earlier about Leverage,I think London could be CRTS Waterloo.
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Post by marni on Apr 9, 2016 16:35:19 GMT
Well I see DC is going to publish his tax returns ,great ,fantastic ,shame they are only from when he became PM.I see he was on TV doing what kids do when the shit hits the fan,I am sorry I could have done better I should have handled it better (While hoping he sounds sincere enough to convince the general public that even though he is an arsehole he is sorry) Jeez I am surprised he never took his jacket off.When you have a media stage to stand and call a whole section of society shirkers fiddlers and piss takers you better hope you you are squeaky clean because the skeletons always pop out of the cupboard.I hope they look at Gideon Osbourn next.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 17:01:30 GMT
Well I see DC is going to publish his tax returns ,great ,fantastic ,shame they are only from when he became PM.I see he was on TV doing what kids do when the shit hits the fan,I am sorry I could have done better I should have handled it better (While hoping he sounds sincere enough to convince the general public that even though he is an arsehole he is sorry) Jeez I am surprised he never took his jacket off.When you have a media stage to stand and call a whole section of society shirkers fiddlers and piss takers you better hope you you are squeaky clean because the skeletons always pop out of the cupboard.I hope they look at Gideon Osbourn next. Reading back on the posts Marni what do you think? I am reading that Sajid Javid the Business Secretary has secretly drawn up plans to get rid of 4000 civil servants in his department. Probably easier than creating some business to keep them employed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 17:09:07 GMT
If it was needed to save us all eating up the planet, I'd happily give up my Skoda and narrow boat to live a simple life working with the land. We have all enjoyed the benefits that came from the technological revolution but at what cost to our grandchildren? The Luddites just feared the end of their jobs, we are now getting to the point we are all fearing the end of humanity. Again the media give the impression everything is in control and the world is organised by well meaning folk. What do you believe is the truth? I'm not sure, but I can't see everything continuing as it is. Returning to a simple agrarian society is no longer an option unless you are willing to allow a large proportion of the population to perish. Returning to a pastoral society sounds wonderful if you have an advanced technological society backing you up with all the things that you need, tools, tractors, fertiliser, distribution systems, storage systems etc etc. I for one would hate to be living a delightful simple way of life, complete with a medieval health service (well in fact I wouldn't, I would have been dead 15 years ago.)
I certainly don't profess to have all the answers but I don't agree that so many will perish. Bear in mind how many people already die around the world through starvation and disease. I'm saying that if we allow the material, greedy, money based world pendulum to swing much further, we will ALL perish. Medicine often creates more problems than it solves. Look at antibiotics for example. Pesticides lower our natural immunity system to be able to cope with disease. However drugs and chemicals do make a lot of money for some. I would probably die earlier if we went back to a simple, live off the land lifestyle, but surely it's more important we have a quality life than have longevity. In fact our obsession with keeping ourselves alive longer than we were designed to, just adds to the population growth and the destruction which goes with it. There is no magic overnight fix but we can gradually pull the pendulum back by sharing the benefits of technology more fairly, educating everyone why we must work together to reduce childbirth and find a better way than money to assess our worth on this planet. Money is purely a method for the greedy to gain control, it's not control we need, it's the ability to unconditionally share our gifts and abilities with each other we really need. Money just gets in the way of that. Imagine how quickly we could improve things if companies shared their knowledge and resources rather than fight over profit margins. For me life is all about the relationships and fun we have with our freinds and family. So many of us are compromising that basic need to fit in with a machine which is out of control. We weren't put here to suffer a neglected childhood, a mid life sacrificed just to pay off a mortgage and a later life to be bunged into a residential home away from our family. We think we are educating the 3rd world, but there are many things we could learn from them.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 9, 2016 17:20:53 GMT
I agree that population growth is one of the problems of our time. The trouble is that although we like to view ourselves as free spirited individuals, we are simply soldier ants, a commodity to those who actually control things, and the more of us there are, the less we are worth. This is the driver behind the Blair/ Merkel/ Cameron mass immigration scam.
I despair of the way that the constant erosion in living standards is so readily tolerated. I was fortunate in being able to buy a house when I was fairly young and being to trade up when the need arose, I doubt either of my children will have that same opportunity.
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Post by marni on Apr 9, 2016 17:34:34 GMT
Well I see DC is going to publish his tax returns ,great ,fantastic ,shame they are only from when he became PM.I see he was on TV doing what kids do when the shit hits the fan,I am sorry I could have done better I should have handled it better (While hoping he sounds sincere enough to convince the general public that even though he is an arsehole he is sorry) Jeez I am surprised he never took his jacket off.When you have a media stage to stand and call a whole section of society shirkers fiddlers and piss takers you better hope you you are squeaky clean because the skeletons always pop out of the cupboard.I hope they look at Gideon Osbourn next. Reading back on the posts Marni what do you think? I am reading that Sajid Javid the Business Secretary has secretly drawn up plans to get rid of 4000 civil servants in his department. Probably easier than creating some business to keep them employed. I have heard him called the flip flop minister,He will say to who ever he is talking too what they want to hear.I think if he does do that then all those civil servants will then be caught up in a situation which they propagated so basically feck em, They can get in the queue at the JCP and find out just how shit it really is.
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Post by macwolfelee on Apr 10, 2016 0:38:33 GMT
Government inactivity is generally a Good Thing. Whenever any government tries to control something it usually has unintended consequences and things end up worse than before. The plethora of rules, laws and regulations being churned out is increasing year by year, and very few of them do what was intended. A light touch, that's what we want. Also less expensive and time-consuming for everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 6:19:19 GMT
Government inactivity is generally a Good Thing. Whenever any government tries to control something it usually has unintended consequences and things end up worse than before. The plethora of rules, laws and regulations being churned out is increasing year by year, and very few of them do what was intended. A light touch, that's what we want. Also less expensive and time-consuming for everyone. I prefer A BENEVOLENT DICTATORSHIP WITH THE OCCASIONAL ASSASSINATION just to keep the Bastards on their toes
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Post by PaulG2 on Apr 11, 2016 1:42:32 GMT
Democracy is an illusion the media feed so conversely the media serves democracy just as in another country it could serve a dictatorship which on reflection we all knew anyway,but what about the inactivity of governments? can we then agree that because the media changes the focus of our attention so quickly it provides an acquiesce for Government to do nothing? I think you're missing something, the nexus of corporate control. The "media" is not some force of nature, it is companies that are owned and controlled by the same 1% that own and control our governments. Media these days is nothing more than the propaganda arm of those who also control our politicians. The trouble is, most people see things in "the news" and take it to be fact, especially if it's on the TV news.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 6:57:22 GMT
One and the same thing in other words,Media and Government are two sides of the same coin. You have introduced into the debate this notion of " The Powers That Be " that 1% you speak of,. and I like you believe that to be the case.That constantly shifting focus driven by media, Murdoch I guess would say he was only satisfying public hunger and to be fair there have been stories that have brought down Governments,but there has never been a story that brought down the system and there never will be as they both serve each other.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 11, 2016 11:38:58 GMT
Returning to a simple agrarian society is no longer an option unless you are willing to allow a large proportion of the population to perish. Returning to a pastoral society sounds wonderful if you have an advanced technological society backing you up with all the things that you need, tools, tractors, fertiliser, distribution systems, storage systems etc etc. I for one would hate to be living a delightful simple way of life, complete with a medieval health service (well in fact I wouldn't, I would have been dead 15 years ago.)
I certainly don't profess to have all the answers but I don't agree that so many will perish. Bear in mind how many people already die around the world through starvation and disease. I'm saying that if we allow the material, greedy, money based world pendulum to swing much further, we will ALL perish. Medicine often creates more problems than it solves. Look at antibiotics for example. Pesticides lower our natural immunity system to be able to cope with disease. However drugs and chemicals do make a lot of money for some. I would probably die earlier if we went back to a simple, live off the land lifestyle, but surely it's more important we have a quality life than have longevity. In fact our obsession with keeping ourselves alive longer than we were designed to, just adds to the population growth and the destruction which goes with it. There is no magic overnight fix but we can gradually pull the pendulum back by sharing the benefits of technology more fairly, educating everyone why we must work together to reduce childbirth and find a better way than money to assess our worth on this planet. Money is purely a method for the greedy to gain control, it's not control we need, it's the ability to unconditionally share our gifts and abilities with each other we really need. Money just gets in the way of that. Imagine how quickly we could improve things if companies shared their knowledge and resources rather than fight over profit margins. For me life is all about the relationships and fun we have with our freinds and family. So many of us are compromising that basic need to fit in with a machine which is out of control. We weren't put here to suffer a neglected childhood, a mid life sacrificed just to pay off a mortgage and a later life to be bunged into a residential home away from our family. We think we are educating the 3rd world, but there are many things we could learn from them. Sorry to come back to this after such a delay but there was one sentence that I felt I had to comment on........have a quality life than have longevity. I would agree except for the fact that a quality life is dependant on a healthy life and that comes back to medicine. If you read archaeology studies you will see that many of the people in the middle ages suffered appallingly during their short lives
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