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Post by JohnV on Nov 16, 2019 14:46:45 GMT
You really are a cretin aren't you Coco. I was neither born with a disability nor have sympathy for people who work in public services like health who strike. I would actually make it illegal. The only reason those morons could go on strike was because they knew the nursing staff would pick up their work, when what we should have done is said no and let the bodies pile up on the wards decaying. But no because we actually went into the job to help people we dug in and got on with it. So tell me Jimbo how do you supply clean sheets to a ward when the laundry is on strike? The management contingency was the paper sheets, management had no other option, they couldn't get the sheets in the quantities required. Thankfully most of these types of services are contracted out of the NHS and is done by private sub contractors minimising the opportunity for such disruption. All brought about because the Unions got out of control...... they reaped what they sowed. So, Nursey, again you present the tory " spin". The fact is that the staff were forced to strike by intransigent management imposing unacceptable conditions, they forced the strike. They could have stopped polishing their chairs and sorted the sheet problem. How shiny was your chair, in latter years, or did you remain in a proper caring job? you really do come out with some bollux Jim, Have you not yet worked out that the main reason for Mrs Thatcher and the right of the Conservative party getting firmly back into power (with a huge mandate) was not greed by an electorate seduced by buy council homes ..... It was a direct result of the Trotsky infiltrated Union movement leadership ..... The country suffered strike after strike often unofficial and usually led by shop stewards who had a tendency to be extremely radical left wingers (often at odds with the main Labour party although officially part of the movement.) and increased the number of closed shops and vigorously enforced them In 1968 the then employment minister wrote a paper entitled "In Place of Strife" suggesting secret ballots before strikes and a compulsory 28 day cooling off period before action being taken. This was rejected by the TUC and their pressure caused the idea to be buried. When Edward Heath came into power the government introduced an act banning closed shops and making pre-strike ballots compulsory. ...... the result ? The miners strike. They were offered 7 percent but it was rejected an a long bitter strike that resulted in electricity supplies failing, coal supplies for home heating becoming unavailable in bitterly cold January weather. eventually the NCB capitulated and the miners got raises of up to 24%This caused the eventual collapse of the Conservative government and we then had Harold Wilson and then Jim Callaghan who over the next ten years progressively lost even more control to the Left Wing finishing in the "Winter of Discontent" with strikes all the bloody time and inflation of 28%. This caused nearly everybody to be sick and fed up with the chaos the rampant Lefties had caused . The direct result of this "Power of the Left " was ............................... Margret Thatcher and bloody Jezza and his idiot young idealist followers want to lead us down the same path
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 14:49:09 GMT
No I present the facts. You simply couldn't get the number of clean sheets in the quantities required. They required thousands a week across our area. Hence you couldn't come up with anything better. Oh and by the way - the strikes I am referring to took place in 1978/9 and the 'management' in charge of the NHS at the time was of course a Labour Government, so maybe it was their fault?? - so would you now like to revise that comment. A history lesson for you Coco. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_DiscontentThe Winter of Discontent was the winter of 1978–79 in the United Kingdom, during which there were widespread strikes by public sector trade unions demanding larger pay rises, following the ongoing pay caps of the Labour Party government led by James Callaghan against Trades Union Congress opposition to control inflation, during the coldest winter for 16 years.[1]Many Labour leaders got it wrong in the past, especially Tony Blair. I don't just blindly follow whoever, if I see their faults I will say so. Unlike those who blindly follow one party all their lives, admittedly straying occasionally. You seem to have perfect recall of past events? Yet I'll bet you forget where you put your keys, slippers etc. Creeping dementia lad! You forgot to answer the last bit too, I'll remind you if you've forgotten already; How shiny was your chair, in latter years, or did you remain in a proper caring job? What has that got to do with anything? I hadn't forgotten I just didn't bother responding to what essentially was completely irrelevant. But as you asked, I think it's pretty well documented on here and on CWDF that I climbed a slippery pole and retired as a NHS Senior Manager, so I'm guessing it's you that have forgotten. Lot's of nurses make the change and move into management. Some people see it as a good thing, especially when like me you kicked off your NHS career as a basic grade nursing auxiliary and have worked your way up knowing what it's like to have worked at all levels on the 'shop floor' so to speak. I do have a long memory particularly in regard to those events yes well done, you are correct on at least one point. Which given you have spouted nothing but cr@ap in your last three posts is something I guess.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 16, 2019 14:50:32 GMT
Oh by the way .... the far sighted Employment Minister who wrote "In Place of Strife" all the way back in 68
was ...... Barbara Castle
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 14:54:29 GMT
Oh by the way .... the far sighted Employment Minister who wrote "In Place of Strife" all the way back in 68 was ...... Barbara Castle I actually wasn't aware of that document, interesting. I think from memory she was a strong advocate of the waterways too - clearly a very sensible lady.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 16, 2019 14:59:26 GMT
It appears that clowns have a natural tendency to support Labour.
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Post by Jim on Nov 16, 2019 15:07:03 GMT
It appears that clowns have a natural tendency to support Labour. Just shows that, while in a minority in this wilderness, clowns are kind and caring Labour voters.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 16, 2019 15:25:12 GMT
It appears that clowns have a natural tendency to support Labour. Just shows that, while in a minority in this wilderness, clowns are kind and caring Labour voters. You don't appear to care very much about my wages having stagnated for the last 15 years now meaning a 30%+ fall in my living standards due to the bulk import of cheaper eastern European labour which your leader so vociferously endorses.
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Post by Jim on Nov 16, 2019 15:35:55 GMT
Just shows that, while in a minority in this wilderness, clowns are kind and caring Labour voters. You don't appear to care very much about my wages having stagnated for the last 15 years now meaning a 30%+ fall in my living standards due to the bulk import of cheaper eastern European labour which your leader so vociferously endorses. Are you feeling uncared for? Aww diddums, coochie koo there there. There you go. Makes up for what Shania can't give you. It's Eddie Stobart and his ilk who are choosing to employ other cheaper drivers, no doubt egged on by Boris. They are your low paymasters, not Jeremy. Tory market forces. Guess what, I haven't put my prices much in that time either, it's called "the country being in a state, following the bailing out of the greedy tory bankers"
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Post by JohnV on Nov 16, 2019 15:38:47 GMT
Oh by the way .... the far sighted Employment Minister who wrote "In Place of Strife" all the way back in 68 was ...... Barbara Castle I actually wasn't aware of that document, interesting. I think from memory she was a strong advocate of the waterways too - clearly a very sensible lady. I had a memory that she had written about controlling strikes ..... but I'll be honest ..... I had to Google the details. (in my defence it was a long time ago) And yes, she was also a supporter of the waterways. I wish there were Labour politicians with her breadth of vision around at the moment ....... Hell, politicians of any party !!!
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Post by Jim on Nov 16, 2019 15:59:47 GMT
Barbara Castle is a fan of naughtyfox, she's met him you know. She's also had the pleasure of meeting me too, in The Castle Inn, Rochdale many years ago. Well, I saw a small ggingger woman walk by me to the upstairs meeting room.
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Post by Andyberg on Nov 16, 2019 16:38:39 GMT
Barbara Castle is a fan of naughtyfox , she's met him you know. Was foxy celebrating the fact he had caught Kinnock ‘in charge of a vehicle not displaying a valid tax disc’ or had Barbara stood on his toe whilst wearing high heels in that picture?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 16, 2019 16:54:31 GMT
You don't appear to care very much about my wages having stagnated for the last 15 years now meaning a 30%+ fall in my living standards due to the bulk import of cheaper eastern European labour which your leader so vociferously endorses. It's Eddie Stobart and his ilk who are choosing to employ other cheaper drivers, no doubt egged on by Boris. They are your low paymasters, not Jeremy. Tory market forces. You do realise that Labour were in power in 2004 when the Eastern Enlargement took place? And that it was Tony Blair who opted out of the seven-year transitional arrangements which virtually every other eu country adopted in order to prevent undermining of domestic wage levels? Maggie would have been proud of him.
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Post by Jim on Nov 16, 2019 17:02:16 GMT
It's Eddie Stobart and his ilk who are choosing to employ other cheaper drivers, no doubt egged on by Boris. They are your low paymasters, not Jeremy. Tory market forces. You do realise that Labour were in power in 2004 when the Eastern Enlargement took place? And that it was Tony Blair who opted out of the seven-year transitional arrangements which virtually every other eu country adopted in order to prevent undermining of domestic wage levels? Maggie would have been proud of him. Stop your whinging. Your tory mates have had a few years to sort it out for you. Guess what, aside from them being too busy squabbling in minority governments they can't be arsed because they are lapping up the profits you make for them. Anyway, you would have brought them to a miserable end sooner... www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/11/15/eddie-stobart-just-weeks-collapse/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 17:02:55 GMT
Fair enough. Some people are born with a disability and have to deal with it all their lives. You have my sympathy. So the hard working dedicated lowly paid hospital staff were driven to strike to get fair recompense? Management had no thought for the effects their actions would have on patients then, leaving staff no option but to strike? There's truth and then there's tory spin! You really are a cretin aren't you Coco. I was neither born with a disability nor have sympathy for people who work in public services like health who strike. I would actually make it illegal. The only reason those morons could go on strike was because they knew the nursing staff would pick up their work, when what we should have done is said no and let the bodies pile up on the wards decaying. But no because we actually went into the job to help people we dug in and got on with it. So tell me Jimbo how do you supply clean sheets to a ward when the laundry is on strike? The management contingency was the paper sheets, management had no other option, they couldn't get the sheets in the quantities required. Thankfully most of these types of services are contracted out of the NHS and is done by private sub contractors minimising the opportunity for such disruption. All brought about because the Unions got out of control...... they reaped what they sowed. CUBA has been praised for its advances in child health, which a paper published this week in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) attributes partly to the socialist island’s empowerment of women along with other socioeconomic measures. The article highlighting the success of the country’s healthcare system, titled Cuba’s success in child health: what can one learn? appears in the latest issue of the authoritative medical journal. It points to World Health Organisation (WHO) figures showing a child mortality rate (U5M) of 5.5 per 1,000 lives, achieved despite an almost six-decade economic blockade. This rate is lower than the United States, which has a child mortality rate of 6.5. Cuba has the second-lowest child mortality rate in the Americas, just behind Canada. Free universal education means that the country has one of the world’s highest doctor-to-patient ratios and literacy stands at at 99.7 per cent, meaning that public health campaigns are able to reach the entire population. Primary healthcare is one of the major successes of the island’s health system with almost half of Cuban doctors working in such health facilities, according to the article’s authors, Cuban paediatrician Mauro Castello Gonzalez and Imti Choonara, emeritus professor at the University of Nottingham’s school of medicine. This brings healthcare to traditionally hard to- reach rural communities, with each team responsible for about 300 families. Cuba has also achieved a significant reduction in babies with a low birth weight (LBW). Just 5.5 per cent of babies are born with a weight of less than 2.5kg (5lb 8oz) compared with 8.3 per cent in the US, according to 2017 statistics. The article notes that the “empowerment of women in civil society has been a major achievement in Cuba” and contributes to children’s health. “First, all girls attend school. Women have the same rights as men in Cuban law and receive equal pay. Maternity leave is 12 months and the woman’s job is protected by law. “The majority of professionals in Cuba are women. Additionally, the majority of members of parliament in Cuba are women, with Cuba having the second-highest proportion of women in parliament worldwide. This representation in parliament is a reflection of the importance of gender equality in Cuba.” Severe malnutrition in children was declared absent in Cuba by Unicef over a decade ago and malnutrition is not considered a major problem there despite the blockade. The main lesson is what can be achieved by governments when healthcare is recognised as a priority, even with limited resources. Advances in children’s health can be achieved if there is the political will, the authors say. “Cuba is an example of what is possible,” they conclude.
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Post by Jim on Nov 16, 2019 17:06:48 GMT
You really are a cretin aren't you Coco. I was neither born with a disability nor have sympathy for people who work in public services like health who strike. I would actually make it illegal. The only reason those morons could go on strike was because they knew the nursing staff would pick up their work, when what we should have done is said no and let the bodies pile up on the wards decaying. But no because we actually went into the job to help people we dug in and got on with it. So tell me Jimbo how do you supply clean sheets to a ward when the laundry is on strike? The management contingency was the paper sheets, management had no other option, they couldn't get the sheets in the quantities required. Thankfully most of these types of services are contracted out of the NHS and is done by private sub contractors minimising the opportunity for such disruption. All brought about because the Unions got out of control...... they reaped what they sowed. CUBA has been praised for its advances in child health, which a paper published this week in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) attributes partly to the socialist island’s empowerment of women along with other socioeconomic measures. The article highlighting the success of the country’s healthcare system, titled Cuba’s success in child health: what can one learn? appears in the latest issue of the authoritative medical journal. It points to World Health Organisation (WHO) figures showing a child mortality rate (U5M) of 5.5 per 1,000 lives, achieved despite an almost six-decade economic blockade. This rate is lower than the United States, which has a child mortality rate of 6.5. Cuba has the second-lowest child mortality rate in the Americas, just behind Canada. Free universal education means that the country has one of the world’s highest doctor-to-patient ratios and literacy stands at at 99.7 per cent, meaning that public health campaigns are able to reach the entire population. Primary healthcare is one of the major successes of the island’s health system with almost half of Cuban doctors working in such health facilities, according to the article’s authors, Cuban paediatrician Mauro Castello Gonzalez and Imti Choonara, emeritus professor at the University of Nottingham’s school of medicine. This brings healthcare to traditionally hard to- reach rural communities, with each team responsible for about 300 families. Cuba has also achieved a significant reduction in babies with a low birth weight (LBW). Just 5.5 per cent of babies are born with a weight of less than 2.5kg (5lb 8oz) compared with 8.3 per cent in the US, according to 2017 statistics. The article notes that the “empowerment of women in civil society has been a major achievement in Cuba” and contributes to children’s health. “First, all girls attend school. Women have the same rights as men in Cuban law and receive equal pay. Maternity leave is 12 months and the woman’s job is protected by law. “The majority of professionals in Cuba are women. Additionally, the majority of members of parliament in Cuba are women, with Cuba having the second-highest proportion of women in parliament worldwide. This representation in parliament is a reflection of the importance of gender equality in Cuba.” Severe malnutrition in children was declared absent in Cuba by Unicef over a decade ago and malnutrition is not considered a major problem there despite the blockade. The main lesson is what can be achieved by governments when healthcare is recognised as a priority, even with limited resources. Advances in children’s health can be achieved if there is the political will, the authors say. “Cuba is an example of what is possible,” they conclude. Communist twat! 😂😂😂😂 Carry on.... But mind you don't upset the elderly locals, with alternative views.😂😂😂😂
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