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Post by phil70 on Jan 20, 2020 19:15:21 GMT
The Lazy Otter has closed it's doors for good, just joined the Green Man in Granchester which closed down without notice, again the closure is for good. Pity that because it gets a lot of business from Punts. Phil
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 20, 2020 19:34:45 GMT
As with The Swan in Inkpen. Merrie Olde Englande is being swapped for Prosecco and Pringles.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 20, 2020 19:42:35 GMT
The death of the pub trade is tragically sad. I think the attack on the pub trade is and has been deliberate Government policy since at least the Blair Government, the last thing the Powers That Be want is the plebs meeting up, fomenting discontent and constructing guillotines. Some of it is due to changed social circumstances, improvements in the quality of housing, television and social media as alternative entertainments, but much of it is also due to the enormous cost of a pint of beer in a pub nowadays, stricter enforcement of drink-drive laws, the ban on smoking etc, all of which are policy-driven.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 20, 2020 20:19:43 GMT
The death of the pub trade is tragically sad. I think the attack on the pub trade is and has been deliberate Government policy since at least the Blair Government, the last thing the Powers That Be want is the plebs meeting up, fomenting discontent and constructing guillotines. Some of it is due to changed social circumstances, improvements in the quality of housing, television and social media as alternative entertainments, but much of it is also due to the enormous cost of a pint of beer in a pub nowadays, stricter enforcement of drink-drive laws, the ban on smoking etc, all of which are policy-driven. I was hearing almost the same from a pub landlord on Saturday (Unfortunately he is now an ex pub landlord and the pub, The Ship, is now closed for good) It was a small "drinkers" pub, a no frills free house a couple of hundred yards from the drydock and a very handy watering hole for a pint after work. In the middle of what had been a busy ship building and associated trades industrial area, it was really doomed by the demise of all the industry. The number of people working in the area is now probably only a tenth or less than 50 years ago. I will be sorry for it's demise as there is no real alternative for a pint after work with workmates. Everybody heads off in different directions and the Ship was not out of anyones way. R.I.P. a little bit of industrial and social history
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 20:27:05 GMT
The death of the pub trade is tragically sad. I think the attack on the pub trade is and has been deliberate Government policy since at least the Blair Government, the last thing the Powers That Be want is the plebs meeting up, fomenting discontent and constructing guillotines. Some of it is due to changed social circumstances, improvements in the quality of housing, television and social media as alternative entertainments, but much of it is also due to the enormous cost of a pint of beer in a pub nowadays, stricter enforcement of drink-drive laws, the ban on smoking etc, all of which are policy-driven. But you risked your life for the PTB Vince.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 21:25:50 GMT
The death of the pub trade is tragically sad. I think the attack on the pub trade is and has been deliberate Government policy since at least the Blair Government, the last thing the Powers That Be want is the plebs meeting up, fomenting discontent and constructing guillotines. Some of it is due to changed social circumstances, improvements in the quality of housing, television and social media as alternative entertainments, but much of it is also due to the enormous cost of a pint of beer in a pub nowadays, stricter enforcement of drink-drive laws, the ban on smoking etc, all of which are policy-driven. Dammit you are so right. Why can't I drive my car when I'm pissed anyway? Its a conspiracy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 8:34:24 GMT
Our return to Stanley Ferry stirred memories ... but we couldn't locate the pub that we had a meal in, called the Ship.
Back home and on line searches reveal the pub closed and the building is no more.
If we don't use businesses they will close ... sad fact of life when the business is a pub.
But I'm always amazed by some of those that stay open, which are rubbish, and some that close, which were good.
Market forces in action I suppose.
Rog
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Post by ianali on Jan 21, 2020 10:59:57 GMT
I would add to to the above that a major factor in a pubs success is the landlord/lady. Two pubs that I previously frequented have closed in the last couple of years. Both were thriving, then the landlord changed and they went downhill rapidly. I reckon a good gaffer can make a success of pretty well any pub. It’s like any business, it needs a good boss.
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Post by pearley on Jan 21, 2020 11:15:41 GMT
Our return to Stanley Ferry stirred memories ... but we couldn't locate the pub that we had a meal in, called the Ship. Back home and on line searches reveal the pub closed and the building is no more. If we don't use businesses they will close ... sad fact of life when the business is a pub. But I'm always amazed by some of those that stay open, which are rubbish, and some that close, which were good. Market forces in action I suppose. Rog Sure it closed some time ago. We've spent some time over the years in the one by the canal, including during a powetcut but the service got progressively worse so went to the Ship but next time if had gone.
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Post by pearley on Jan 21, 2020 11:18:28 GMT
The Lazy Otter has closed it's doors for good, just joined the Green Man in Granchester which closed down without notice, again the closure is for good. Pity that because it gets a lot of business from Punts. Phil Read that in Facebook today. What will happen to the pub moorings? Get full if boats taking the piss I suppose.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 21, 2020 16:43:52 GMT
I must confess that I found it lackluster when I was there 5 (?) years ago ...... visited on the way to Bedford but didn't bother on the way back
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 21, 2020 16:52:25 GMT
The Lazy Otter has closed it's doors for good, just joined the Green Man in Granchester which closed down without notice, again the closure is for good. Pity that because it gets a lot of business from Punts. Phil OK, here are a couple of pics of The Lazy otter in Stretham (now closed): www.elystandard.co.uk/news/the-lazy-otter-in-stretham-closes-1-6474446
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 21, 2020 17:18:54 GMT
For that kind of riverside fen pub, the lazy Otter was a good one but it was more a restaurant than a pub. I've been there weekday evenings and there were no other customers because you can't walk there from anywhere. When I first moved to the area believe it or not you couldn't get a pub lunch in Ely which was a ghost town so we used to go to the Lazy Otter or the 5 Miles from Anywhere or there was another... Fish and Duck? Maybe the Ely lack kept these mostly pretty damp, crumbling cheap and cheerful pubs going for a while providing Sunday lunches, they were always packed with families. Nowadays the population of Ely can eat closer to home as it's completely changed and doubled in size.
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Post by brummieboy on Jan 21, 2020 21:52:42 GMT
I would add to to the above that a major factor in a pubs success is the landlord/lady. Two pubs that I previously frequented have closed in the last couple of years. Both were thriving, then the landlord changed and they went downhill rapidly. I reckon a good gaffer can make a success of pretty well any pub. It’s like any business, it needs a good boss. Lots of closures just after a change of landlord are because the grasping owners put up the rent for a new tenant, and tie them to overpriced supplies. The Vine at Kinver was ruined by such action, and it has never recovered.
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Post by ianali on Jan 21, 2020 22:17:57 GMT
I would add to to the above that a major factor in a pubs success is the landlord/lady. Two pubs that I previously frequented have closed in the last couple of years. Both were thriving, then the landlord changed and they went downhill rapidly. I reckon a good gaffer can make a success of pretty well any pub. It’s like any business, it needs a good boss. Lots of closures just after a change of landlord are because the grasping owners put up the rent for a new tenant, and tie them to overpriced supplies. The Vine at Kinver was ruined by such action, and it has never recovered. Why would anyone take on a pub that comes with to high a rent or overpriced supply’s? All comes back to knowing how to manage a business.
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