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Post by peterboat on Feb 28, 2020 12:58:11 GMT
To many nupties in the world like him John, its an environment problem so the minister goes, and he did, more than likely its the narrowing of the severn and the silt build up that is causing the isue, bloody good dredging would sort it nicely whereabouts?
I have worked on pipeline crossings at Bridgnorth and Minsterworth, and cannot imagine any location where dredging would make the slightest difference. The only way to clear the flood waters would be to increase the gradient and only 'im upstairs could manage that by arranging a bloody great earthquake to tilt the earth's crust a bit.
Google is your friend its been narrowed twice 15 meters narrower I think will slow the water down, I read other stuff something happen in 2000 as well
River Severn: From Source to Sea - Google Books Result books.google.co.uk › books Jan Dobrzynski - 2016 - Photography JACKFIELD Jackfield lies on the south bank of the Severn and it was once the ... the Severn Valley at Jackfield in the Ironbridge Gorge resulted in a major landslip ... dwellings disappearing into the river, the river itself narrowed by fifteen yards. ... river erosion, and the drainage of degraded slopes is due to be completed in ...
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Post by JohnV on Feb 28, 2020 13:30:39 GMT
clearing reeds, bushes, trees etc had a dramatic effect on water clearance rates. sufficient increase in the ebb current as to make the towing of dumb barges behind the Regent tankers non viable
source Severn Tanking by B. A. Lane
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 28, 2020 15:24:45 GMT
To many nupties in the world like him John, its an environment problem so the minister goes, and he did, more than likely its the narrowing of the severn and the silt build up that is causing the isue, bloody good dredging would sort it nicely whereabouts?
I have worked on pipeline crossings at Bridgnorth and Minsterworth, and cannot imagine any location where dredging would make the slightest difference. The only way to clear the flood waters would be to increase the gradient and only 'im upstairs could manage that by arranging a bloody great earthquake to tilt the earth's crust a bit.
Do you know anything at all about the normal patterns of river silting or shoaling, and exactly how it needs to be dealt with both for the benefit of navigation, and in order to speed up the passage of floodwater from the upper reaches to either it's estuary or the confluence with another river ? Do you know how silting and shoaling was dealt with, successfully, when the routine task of removing or preventing it used to be left to people who actually knew what they were doing, . . instead of theorists who witter on about such things as 'gradients' ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 16:19:05 GMT
whereabouts? I have worked on pipeline crossings at Bridgnorth and Minsterworth, and cannot imagine any location where dredging would make the slightest difference. The only way to clear the flood waters would be to increase the gradient and only 'im upstairs could manage that by arranging a bloody great earthquake to tilt the earth's crust a bit.
Do you know anything at all about the normal patterns of river silting or shoaling, and exactly how it needs to be dealt with both for the benefit of navigation, and in order to speed up the passage of floodwater from the upper reaches to either it's estuary or the confluence with another river ? Do you know how silting and shoaling was dealt with, successfully, when the routine task of removing or preventing it used to be left to people who actually knew what they were doing, . . instead of theorists who witter on about such things as 'gradients' ? Obviously he is on a wind up, or, genuinely is thick as a plank.
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Post by bodger on Feb 28, 2020 16:21:39 GMT
without surface gradient a river is a pond.
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Post by bodger on Feb 28, 2020 16:23:12 GMT
Do you know anything at all about the normal patterns of river silting or shoaling, and exactly how it needs to be dealt with both for the benefit of navigation, and in order to speed up the passage of floodwater from the upper reaches to either it's estuary or the confluence with another river ? Do you know how silting and shoaling was dealt with, successfully, when the routine task of removing or preventing it used to be left to people who actually knew what they were doing, . . instead of theorists who witter on about such things as 'gradients' ? Obviously he is on a wind up, or, genuinely is thick as a plank. I hope you didn't flush away when someone pulled your chain.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 16:39:04 GMT
Obviously he is on a wind up, or, genuinely is thick as a plank. I hope you didn't flush away when someone pulled your chain. Are you related to debbie figgy?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 16:45:46 GMT
without surface gradient a river is a pond. Yes but if there were two ponds of the same 2D surface dimensions and depth but different gradients leading to the bottom then the amount of water they will hold before spilling over will differ. The pond with the steeper banks will be able to hold more water than the other one. It's like the old "cone shaped pint glass" argument.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 17:07:41 GMT
Its another Thunderboat pissing contest...
And now, a word from a Mr Foxley of the EA, who was responding to comment in the 'Worcester News' in 2008:
Phil Foxley, from the Environment Agency, said dredging would have no long-term benefit and would significantly effect the ecology and infrastructure of the river.
“Dredging is not a long-term solution to the problem,” said Mr Foxley, who is project manager for the Hylton Road flood defence scheme.
"It would cost hundreds of millions of pounds and it would not last, as soon as the river floods you would be back to square one."
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Post by JohnV on Feb 28, 2020 17:14:18 GMT
"It would cost hundreds of millions of pounds and it would not last, as soon as the river floods you would be back to square one." Obviously went to the Bodger school of slow thinking when you are using any method to control a river, you have to keep doing it. There is no such thing as a one off cure
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 17:14:59 GMT
Leaf blowers seem to be very popular.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 17:16:34 GMT
One obvious problem with dredging is it might generate local jobs for local people.
Nobody wants to see this happen. Much better to simply make work for large corporations employing the cheapest available labour.
Construction is the ideal solution.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 17:19:09 GMT
But is you agree that the cost will be millions innit cause right now all the money spent
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Post by JohnV on Feb 28, 2020 17:22:45 GMT
But is you agree that the cost will be millions innit cause right now all the money spent Yeah, been watching the millions being spent in Hull, building river defenses that make the river narrower (by about 4 metres) that are lower than the existing walls
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 17:23:34 GMT
Maybe the best approach is to take the money then bust the company and take the begging bowl to the gov coffers while the beneficiaries carry on messing about with their jet surfboards somewhere pleasant.
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