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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 15:39:52 GMT
This one will probably be sold by the time I can make an offer anyway, although I'll keep an eye on it just in case its still there in about 10 weeks time. The pandemic is going to have all sorts of knock-on effects on markets of all kinds, including used boats, so its anyone's guess whether they'll fetch normal prices because of the serious damage we're having to the economy. But would you always offer less than the asking price, no matter what? I mean it needs blacking in this case, so you could ask for what- a grand off, based on that? But even if you couldnt find any faults on a boat, is it the done thing to offer less anyway? Definitely lowball it. I am of the opinion that narrowboats are all massively overpriced. Next time you have nothing to do compare this market with other sectors. But I concede that something is worth what somebody will pay. Anyway, there will be no queue forming, and if the economic projections currently circulating come true then there are going to be some big reductions before long. And if by some miracle somebody hands over dough like that, don't worry - there's plenty more where that came from. With the current panic anything could happen. Suggestion: re-set your ceiling price to about half and look around to see what happens along. At the end of the day its just a metal tube.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 18, 2020 15:41:11 GMT
Dare I suggest you contact Quaysider of this parish? You could pay for a week on his boat and learn the ropes? Although how to get there. Perhaps you could disguise yourself as a bush? www.whiltonmarina.co.uk/used-narrowboats/details/5025.aspx(Although even this one looks like it will need blacking straight away) Id say that boat is completely out of the question because it doesn’t have a proper kitchen. No installed hob, no proper oven. All electric cooking is stupid on a boat, unless it has a proper built in generator. And even then it is stupid!
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 18, 2020 15:45:42 GMT
And can I just say that an older boat from a quality builder is a much better proposition than a newish boat from a dodgy one! They are not like cars with built in obsolescence!
Our boat is Feb 2011 and everything is still pretty much perfect, with the exception of the red paint that has faded quite badly. Still, 9 years for a paint job is not too bad and I think we will get quite a few years yet. Also we 2-packed the hull in 2012 and that is still pretty good. We did take it out of the water 3 years ago, but we needn’t have bothered, we just gave it another coat because we could.
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Post by kris on Apr 18, 2020 16:03:16 GMT
Here is a belt and braces end of world no spares available canal boat heating and hot water arrangement: Triple coil calorifier heated by engine, webasto and Alde gas boiler. Morco instant water heater. Refleks diesel cabin heater (no water system to go wrong and no electric needed). Multifuel stove (no water system to go wrong and no electric needed). that’s something like the system I hope to install on here eventually. Except I’d probably only have a two coil tank one from the engine one from a solar water heater and then a heating element that I could use excess pv solar power in summer to heat water as well. What I don’t know is how big would the cooling coil have to be for a four cylinder Gardner lw? Having a multiefuel stove and a diesel heater makes sense. Ideally I’d like to have diesel cooking as well as gas. Then to finish it off a morco for instant hot water.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 18, 2020 16:05:32 GMT
Id say that boat is completely out of the question because it doesn’t have a proper kitchen. No installed hob, no proper oven. All electric cooking is stupid on a boat, unless it has a proper built in generator. And even then it is stupid! a golfing term for two under ...... of course I do have a proper boat
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 18, 2020 16:25:21 GMT
Ooh - a bit plain inside. I would look at cheaper boats, find one that 'feels comfy' and use the money saved into doing it up. We were lucky in that we bought the boat we had borrowed the previous Summer - we liked it when we borrowed it, and we still like it. Paid 18k (now 34 years old?) and probably 12k to get it into shape (more or less). Home Sweet Home. OK, it's living in a floating skip.
Bear in mind you do not need loads and loads of hot water - you can take a shower in a swimming pool or at a fatness centre.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 16:27:20 GMT
This one will probably be sold by the time I can make an offer anyway, although I'll keep an eye on it just in case its still there in about 10 weeks time. The pandemic is going to have all sorts of knock-on effects on markets of all kinds, including used boats, so its anyone's guess whether they'll fetch normal prices because of the serious damage we're having to the economy. But would you always offer less than the asking price, no matter what? I mean it needs blacking in this case, so you could ask for what- a grand off, based on that? But even if you couldnt find any faults on a boat, is it the done thing to offer less anyway? Definitely lowball it. I am of the opinion that narrowboats are all massively overpriced. Next time you have nothing to do compare this market with other sectors. But I concede that something is worth what somebody will pay. Anyway, there will be no queue forming, and if the economic projections currently circulating come true then there are going to be some big reductions before long. And if by some miracle somebody hands over dough like that, don't worry - there's plenty more where that came from. With the current panic anything could happen. Suggestion: re-set your ceiling price to about half and look around to see what happens along. At the end of the day its just a metal tube. Yep, that makes a lot of sense. I dont know if its a bloke thing or just me, but it makes a lot more sense to not blow your whole budget on something because it looks new and shiny. I tend to think it'll be fine because its only 3 years old, but it seems with boats, there will always be a need for contingencies I think the other problem wit paying higher prices for this kind of boat (i.e. not classic/trad) is that you lose a lot more in depreciation on a 3 year old boat than you would lose on a ten year old boat. I really need to get a grip of my boat fever. I look at one maybe ten years old for say £55k, and immediately I think 'yes but this one is seven years newer, everything will be working fine for years to come- and its not really that much more money.' And so it goes on, until I get to unrealistic prices that would leave little or no contingency. I'll maybe lower the radar sights a bit, and play it safer.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 18, 2020 16:28:34 GMT
Id say that boat is completely out of the question because it doesn’t have fake rivets. Fixed that for you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 16:38:29 GMT
The bottom line as I see it is the condition of the hull. Everything else is a matter of personal taste. As for depreciation, there are a lot of piss-takers who demand considerably more for their boat than they paid, because there are a lot of twats who will pay it. Here's a selection of some of my favourite phrases from previous seller's advertisements: With deep sadness... With great reluctance... Due to a change in circumstances... I've decided it's time for someone else to be the caretaker of... I've just bought my dream flat in Islington so I'm asking only £70,000...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 16:43:38 GMT
Id say that boat is completely out of the question because it doesn’t have a proper kitchen. No installed hob, no proper oven. All electric cooking is stupid on a boat, unless it has a proper built in generator. And even then it is stupid! Shee-it. I hadnt even spotted there was no fixed hob- it'll be one of those table top ones. But even if I got it cheaper, I cant see how electric cooking would work without a proper set up as you say- one that included a powerful built in genny- maybe they have some extra-powerful alternator on the engine? But it doesnt mention anything like that. They must have made the cooker work somehow, because its three years old, but its not clear where all the power comes from. It has a 3kw victron inverter, but surely thats not going to power an oven or two electric rings? So yeah, this doesnt look very practical really
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 16:50:54 GMT
Anyway I think it's very very dodgy to use links to the brokerage site that must never be discussed. Fast one pullers. Speaking of Whilton I was a bit taken aback to discover what happened to the man who used to run the little chandlery there. The canal shop. Oh dear! No connection to the brokerage he was a separate entity later located at Hillmorton. Right, point taken. I wasn't really aware there were 'issues' with a certain brokerage. Not that I'd rule them out, but I'd maybe take extra care when buying there (boat out, full survey etc ....) I hope there aren't any allegations of anything more serious than selling some boats that were knackered....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 17:00:10 GMT
Anyway I think it's very very dodgy to use links to the brokerage site that must never be discussed. Fast one pullers. Speaking of Whilton I was a bit taken aback to discover what happened to the man who used to run the little chandlery there. The canal shop. Oh dear! No connection to the brokerage he was a separate entity later located at Hillmorton. Oh do tell. Spill the beans.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 17:05:18 GMT
Ooh - a bit plain inside. I would look at cheaper boats, find one that 'feels comfy' and use the money saved into doing it up. We were lucky in that we bought the boat we had borrowed the previous Summer - we liked it when we borrowed it, and we still like it. Paid 18k (now 34 years old?) and probably 12k to get it into shape (more or less). Home Sweet Home. OK, it's living in a floating skip. Bear in mind you do not need loads and loads of hot water - you can take a shower in a swimming pool or at a fatness centre. I've got a bit of a problem buying a boat that needs some work, because I'm a bit rubbish at DIY so a lot might have to be done by a 'pro'. I would say this though- if I set a target range around £40k, what I dont want to do is pay 30k for a boat that's a bit more knackered, and then spend 10k a lot of time and elbow grease, to get it to a decent state, when I could have just paid the whole 40k up front for a different boat, and and got a similar end product. I'll do some DIY if I really have to, but I'll balls it up 30% of the time and end up getting a pro in anyway. I like the idea of more empty space to be honest. I know many boaters prefer a 'cosier' or more natutical feel, with wood walls and dinettes and small lounges, but for some reason I always feel a bit mroe comfortable in a slightly bigger living space, so thats one of my must-haves. I think no matter how much a boat appeals to me when I start my visiting in June and July, if it hasnt got a big lounge (or lounge and dinette adjacent, I just couldn't imagine myself buying it. Dont get me wrong, I greatly respect the long history and tradition of the canals, and the old 70ft tugs look lovely with their evocative Listers hammering away, but as a living place its just not for me.
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Post by Jim on Apr 18, 2020 17:06:38 GMT
Anyway I think it's very very dodgy to use links to the brokerage site that must never be discussed. Fast one pullers. Speaking of Whilton I was a bit taken aback to discover what happened to the man who used to run the little chandlery there. The canal shop. Oh dear! No connection to the brokerage he was a separate entity later located at Hillmorton. Right, point taken. I wasn't really aware there were 'issues' with a certain brokerage. Not that I'd rule them out, but I'd maybe take extra care when buying there (boat out, full survey etc ....) I hope there aren't any allegations of anything more serious than selling some boats that were knackered.... I've heard they are a good place to go and meander round untrammelled, get ideas for layout etc, then go elsewhere,shop around.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 18, 2020 17:11:59 GMT
Speaking of Whilton I was a bit taken aback to discover what happened to the man who used to run the little chandlery there. The canal shop. What happened to him? By the way, the previous owner bought our boat from Whilton Marina. Not surprising as the previous owners (before him) had the boat in that area for 2 years before selling it (to Whilton, I'm guessing). Our previous owner said the nice thing about Whilton is that they let you wander round the boats by yourself, and don't hover over your shoulder all the time, so you can have a look and think in peace & quiet.
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