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Post by lollygagger on May 4, 2020 10:57:52 GMT
If it was a celebration of a victory that involved us successfully invading somewhere and killing lots of people in the process that would be bad but this is a celebration of the exact opposite. It seems to be the word victory that causes confusion for the hard of thinking. Jumping on a word and wilfully attaching a completely inappropriate conclusion is the modern disease. This is so prevalent that has wrecked journalism. "so you are saying..." " No I'm feckin not!"
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 11:05:03 GMT
I think celebrating the defeat of a totalitarian regime is a good thing. We should also remember that without this victory, then some of us in this board would have have been legally persecuted and even killed for our beliefs and lifestyles. Why not celebrate the end of a different totalitarian regime - the British Empire? We've moved on a little bit since those days...just a bit.
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Post by Trina on May 4, 2020 11:09:21 GMT
A significant moment in our history ... anyone have any plans ? (or had plans prior to the restriction) I know Jane has some Union flag bunting she is determined to display on the boat for the day. I certainly think an evening Β toast will be in order. Rog My bunting is on our boat,we aren't.π₯ *Bunting bought for 1p after the wedding of William & Kate.
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Post by Telemachus on May 4, 2020 11:17:27 GMT
Why not celebrate the end of a different totalitarian regime - the British Empire? We've moved on a little bit since those days...just a bit. So has Germany.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 11:18:56 GMT
We've moved on a little bit since those days...just a bit. So has Germany. True.
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Post by Jim on May 4, 2020 11:27:00 GMT
Perhaps because it is the final 'milestone' anniversary (75 years) when survivors may still be with us. It seems very sad when people seek to make political points out of an anniversary ... but each to their own. I will toast, remember the sacrifices made for us ... and make no apology for doing so Rog You are ignoring the provenance of VE day as a bank holiday. It was created as a political point. Knocking out Labour Day, celebrating millions of Working men in favour of, as you say, a few remaining old soldiers. I would have had no problem with there being an extra holiday for those who wish to celebrate it.
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Post by Telemachus on May 4, 2020 11:29:42 GMT
There have been a myriad wars throughout history, why is that one special? I can just about tolerate Remembrance Sunday because it is inclusive and is in memory of those who died in various wars. But celebrating a war victory is one small step away from glorifying war. I suggest those who like celebrating such things move to North Korea, where such stuff is mandatory. Yup nationalistic jingoism. That war is over, get over it. Iβm planning to buy a new BMW on May 8th. As to politicising a war anniversary - Oh the irony! The whole thing was all about politics, dumdum! For someone who claims to be intelligent, you occasionally come across as a complete and total plonker. Why is this one special ? Even you can't be truly crass enough to require it explaining. The evil (and I use that word in it's full meaning) of Nazi Germany unleashed horrors across all the lands it controlled, we probably even now still don't know the full barbarities that were carried out in it's name. It was one of those very few wars where there was no option but to fight, only by victory could the untold miseries that were being inflicted on millions of people throughout Europe be ended. Politics my arse TWAT Twatbacktoyou. Lots of regimes have done terrible things in history, we just like to celebrate this one because it was nearly done to us, we fought back and won, and all in nearly-living memory, and it is routinely glorified by cinema. I expect if you asked the indigenous peoples of India, Burma, Australia, N America, S Africa etc etc at the time, they would have had a similar opinion of the invading Brits as we did of the Germans. Oh but letβs gloss over that quickly, and it was a LONG time ago. Phew! I think we got away with it. And donβt mention the crusades. Or the English civil war. shhhh!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 11:29:53 GMT
There have been a myriad wars throughout history, why is that one special? I can just about tolerate Remembrance Sunday because it is inclusive and is in memory of those who died in various wars. But celebrating a war victory is one small step away from glorifying war. I suggest those who like celebrating such things move to North Korea, where such stuff is mandatory. Yup nationalistic jingoism. That war is over, get over it. Iβm planning to buy a new BMW on May 8th. As to politicising a war anniversary - Oh the irony! The whole thing was all about politics, dumdum! For someone who claims to be intelligent, you occasionally come across as a complete and total plonker. Why is this one special ? Even you can't be truly crass enough to require it explaining. The evil (and I use that word in it's full meaning) of Nazi Germany unleashed horrors across all the lands it controlled, we probably even now still don't know the full barbarities that were carried out in it's name. It was one of those very few wars where there was no option but to fight, only by victory could the untold miseries that were being inflicted on millions of people throughout Europe be ended. Politics my arse TWAT One interesting facet of WW2 is that it was the last (and possibly first) time the British empire (as it was then, just about) had the unquestionable moral right to wage war. The national memory continues to celebrate the allied victory as the essential story of good triumphing over evil, and rightly so. However the memory of these events are often hi-jacked by those with an ulterior motive - you can't deny it, and there is a lot of pomp and tosh circulating at present which will inevitably be conflated with the anniversary celebrations. While there are survivors of that time still with us, it could be considered a duty to raise a cheer to thank them. I sometimes wonder what will happen when the history passes out of living memory. Nothing good, I fear.
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Post by Telemachus on May 4, 2020 11:30:55 GMT
Anyway, you are supposed to be all sandal wearing leftie turn the other cheek be nice forgive and forget. The clue being in βforgetβ!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 13:48:05 GMT
Anyway, you are supposed to be all sandal wearing leftie turn the other cheek be nice forgive and forget. The clue being in βforgetβ! Sorry, what did you say?
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Post by Trina on May 4, 2020 14:16:11 GMT
Mum was a WAAF & dad was in the Polish air force & then the Polish squadron of the RAF in WW2.Dad's youngest brother(aged16)was a runner for the Free Polish Press in Warsaw during the uprising.He was shot on a street corner,the Polish underground got a message to my grandparents telling them this. I won't be forgetting about the war(& yes I do know I wasn't there)so I will certainly be raising a glass or two on Friday.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 14:34:56 GMT
Perhaps because it is the final 'milestone' anniversary (75 years) when survivors may still be with us. It seems very sad when people seek to make political points out of an anniversary ... but each to their own. I will toast, remember the sacrifices made for us ... and make no apology for doing so Rog You are ignoring the provenance of VE day as a bank holiday. It was created as a political point. Knocking out Labour Day, celebrating millions of Working men in favour of, as you say, a few remaining old soldiers. I would have had no problem with there being an extra holiday for those who wish to celebrate it. I am doing no such thing ... you asked a question ... I proposed one possible answer. The whole generation lived, served, and suffered through the war years and after ... certainly not about 'a few remaining old soldiers' as you put It. I'm sure an ex BTL landlord will be excused a rousing chorus of the 'Red Flag' if that's how you wish to commemorate it. Rog
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 14:51:09 GMT
dad was in the Polish air force & then the Polish squadron of the RAF in WW2. There was more than one - do you know the squadron number?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 14:56:37 GMT
You are ignoring the provenance of VE day as a bank holiday. It was created as a political point. Knocking out Labour Day, celebrating millions of Working men in favour of, as you say, a few remaining old soldiers. I would have had no problem with there being an extra holiday for those who wish to celebrate it. I am doing no such thing ... you asked a question ... I proposed one possible answer. The whole generation lived, served, and suffered through the war years and after ... certainly not about 'a few remaining old soldiers' as you put It. I'm sure an ex BTL landlord will be excused a rousing chorus of the 'Red Flag' if that's how you wish to commemorate it. Rog It might be apt - the Red Army suffered more casualties than all other countries combined (including axis forces). The conflict, which the Russians call the 'Great Patriotic War', would have progressed for some time longer had it not been for their contribution.
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Post by Trina on May 4, 2020 14:57:48 GMT
Afraid not,when I was younger I wasn't really interested.By the time I was,it was too late-I was a rather late,unplanned baby.Dad didn't talk much about what he did but dropped snippets into conversations when looking at photographs.My big brother knew more,but sadly he died at a young age.
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