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Post by Andyberg on Jun 11, 2020 20:32:13 GMT
Wish they would take steps to pull all these statues, littered everywhere across the country, down..... I find them offensive as feck!!!
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Post by JohnV on Jun 11, 2020 20:32:59 GMT
This poll would have been much better if the voters names were public the answer is 7.8 not 42
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 21:13:58 GMT
I voted yes.
My name is Commander Andrew Bennett CBE.
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Post by dyertribe on Jun 11, 2020 21:47:21 GMT
Baden-Powell? FFS The Scouting/Guiding movement is about as inclusive as it gets. I was part of the Guiding Movement from the age of 7 until I was 28 in various roles. As an only child I was able to enjoy experiences that would have been impossible otherwise, camping, abseiling, public speaking, volunteering to name a few. As a Guider I was able to help one of my Guides (from a very rough area) escape an abusive family. I met her years later and she had made a success of her life in a way she would not have been able to without her involvement in the Movement. There are so many people who have benefited from what BP set up, many in life changing ways. Should we throw this particular baby out with the bath water?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 21:57:00 GMT
It will all fade into the background once the oil starts getting burned again then the whole climate change issue will be top of the agenda again.
Nothing like some temporary clean air to take peoples minds off what is really important.
More and more planes about.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 11, 2020 22:00:23 GMT
Baden-Powell? FFS The Scouting/Guiding movement is about as inclusive as it gets. I was part of the Guiding Movement from the age of 7 until I was 28 in various roles. As an only child I was able to enjoy experiences that would have been impossible otherwise, camping, abseiling, public speaking, volunteering to name a few. As a Guider I was able to help one of my Guides (from a very rough area) escape an abusive family. I met her years later and she had made a success of her life in a way she would not have been able to without her involvement in the Movement. There are so many people who have benefited from what BP set up, many in life changing ways. Should we throw this particular baby out with the bath water? Apparently Baden-Powell was homophobic. As was nearly everyone else of that era, or at least they pretended to be. Anyway, better to be homophobic than to create a scouting movement in order to get access to kids for fiddling, which is what it would have been like if the Catholic Church had set it up. If BP's main sin was being homophobic, on behalf of all poofs I hereby forgive him. It was just that he didn't know what he was missing, can't blame him for that.
Can we move on to something more important, like stopping American cops randomly killing people because they have too much sun tan?
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Post by dyertribe on Jun 11, 2020 22:13:07 GMT
Baden-Powell? FFS The Scouting/Guiding movement is about as inclusive as it gets. I was part of the Guiding Movement from the age of 7 until I was 28 in various roles. As an only child I was able to enjoy experiences that would have been impossible otherwise, camping, abseiling, public speaking, volunteering to name a few. As a Guider I was able to help one of my Guides (from a very rough area) escape an abusive family. I met her years later and she had made a success of her life in a way she would not have been able to without her involvement in the Movement. There are so many people who have benefited from what BP set up, many in life changing ways. Should we throw this particular baby out with the bath water? Apparently Baden-Powell was homophobic. As was nearly everyone else of that era, or at least they pretended to be. Anyway, better to be homophobic than to create a scouting movement in order to get access to kids for fiddling, which is what it would have been like if the Catholic Church had set it up. If BP's main sin was being homophobic, on behalf of all poofs I hereby forgive him. It was just that he didn't know what he was missing, can't blame him for that. Can we move on to something more important, like stopping American cops randomly killing people because they have too much sun tan? I have a 21 yo daughter, full of righteous indignation at what is happening. We put her in a local private school fro:the age of 6 to 16. Her comment was that she was in the only school locally (Wales is not very culturally diverse) where the locals were in the minority!! one issue on which we agree is that we need to park the issues of the past and deal with them when we have righted the wrongs which are happening today. Let’s tackle racism happening today and sort out statues when we confident that in 2020 all people are treated equally.
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Post by dyertribe on Jun 11, 2020 22:22:18 GMT
Due to living in a cultural diversity backwater for my entire life (I worked in the NHS for 10 years so interacted with more people of ethnically diverse backgrounds than most of my peers) I realise that my experience is limited, my daughter tells me it is anyway! She has lived in the Midlands for the last two years so I must bow to her greater knowledge.
I have always treated people equally, I don’t care what your colour or culture is, good people are good people, plonkers are plonkers.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 11, 2020 22:28:04 GMT
I have always treated people equally, I don’t care what your colour or culture is, good people are good people, plonkers are plonkers. I too treat everybody equally, regardless of race, creed or religion, and hold no feelings of hatred towards anybody simply because they are different to me. Apart from gingers, of course.
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Post by dyertribe on Jun 11, 2020 22:39:50 GMT
I have always treated people equally, I don’t care what your colour or culture is, good people are good people, plonkers are plonkers. I too treat everybody equally, regardless of race, creed or religion, and hold no feelings of hatred towards anybody simply because they are different to me. Apart from gingers, of course. Well, there is that. don’t think there are any ginger statues?
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Post by Andyberg on Jun 11, 2020 22:55:03 GMT
I’ll be pissed off if the mysogynist’s get the sculpture of Molly Malone removed! 🙄
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Post by thebfg on Jun 12, 2020 1:09:59 GMT
you seem to be congenitally a twat
There are more things going on here than the central aim and lumping them together as the BLM group seem to be doing is simply diverting energy and support from the central issue .... the present
The removal of statues is an irrelevance and a distraction to the fairness of current society.
Have you read the list of those they want erradicated ?
Lord Kitchener because he introduced "concentration camps to Africa" ? what an incredibly well educated group !!!
fancy that !!! apart from the fact that the term had a very different meaning before the Nazis started using it (internment camp is what would be used for an equivalent now although because of Cholera death camp was too close for comfort)
What the hell had that to do with racism ?
Just because a group have a central aim that should be supported doesn't mean that you should ignore any stupidity that is attatched to it
No, I wan't aware of that but I would like to meet whomever nominated Kitchener's statue. I doubt it is in any danger, but it appears there is a credible threat to that of Baden-Powell. I liked one of Bodger's suggestions (just for a change) - put them all in a museum. It would be a fantastic way of educating the ignorant about the often-inglorious history of the empire. His statue his being temporary removed because campaigners who have accused him of racism, homophobia and support for Adolf Hitler. Even though he did massive work against racism with scouts, 15000 people have signed a petition to save it and until its removed the police are going to protect it.
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Post by thebfg on Jun 12, 2020 1:15:17 GMT
Baden-Powell? FFS The Scouting/Guiding movement is about as inclusive as it gets. I was part of the Guiding Movement from the age of 7 until I was 28 in various roles. As an only child I was able to enjoy experiences that would have been impossible otherwise, camping, abseiling, public speaking, volunteering to name a few. As a Guider I was able to help one of my Guides (from a very rough area) escape an abusive family. I met her years later and she had made a success of her life in a way she would not have been able to without her involvement in the Movement. There are so many people who have benefited from what BP set up, many in life changing ways. Should we throw this particular baby out with the bath water? I was in the scouts till my mid 20sz the only thing stopping me becoming a leader was working in retail management. Now I'm more settled I might get into it more, I'm thinking of becoming a district mountain leader. Both my kids are in it too.
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Post by JohnV on Jun 12, 2020 5:10:58 GMT
I have always treated people equally, I don’t care what your colour or culture is, good people are good people, plonkers are plonkers. I too treat everybody equally, regardless of race, creed or religion, and hold no feelings of hatred towards anybody simply because they are different to me. Apart from gingers, of course. Hatred ? possibly but only a small percentage but I don't like 90% of Scots, 90% of Welsh, 90% of Irish, 90% of Blacks, 90% of Asians, 90% other races apart from French, French Canadians and Walloons which is nearer 95% and of course apart from Gingers.
I'm an equal opportunities disliker
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Post by JohnV on Jun 12, 2020 9:25:15 GMT
Should we spend energy defending history ... or spend energy making the changes necessary ? It's not about the history ... it's about our (society's) thinking . Rog No, it's about a minority group trying to take over a majority group and change the world order. This is interesting: uk.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund?fbclid=IwAR3fWIH2EfG-b39q02uxCK14wX9zn2DfuHo6ybx4CyN1xXj6QwGNaV7JhScQueer people still exist, apparently. An assumption is made that other marginalised groups will automatically benefit. That's one hell of an assumption, given that the required changes are for the benefit of black people, and black people only. How much do you support this, would you see justice if your possessions and you future was taken from you at some time in the future, as this suggests, would you support this? After your posting of this, I have been doing a bit of reading up and also looking at BLM aims ...... it is quite a terrifying list, I don't think that a large number of people who support it would do so if they were fully aware of it's aims.
The one that is the most worrying is the "defunding of the police" which works on the idea (mad bloody nightmare more like) that local communities should do their own policing which would stop violence. Bloody Nora !!! Just think that one through !!! I have also noticed that there are plenty of reports of a huge peak in gun sales in the USA edition.cnn.com/2020/03/19/business/coronavirus-gun-sales/index.html 77% according to CNN, tripled according to NY Times.
Maybe they have read the prospectus ........ hmmmm !!!
Jeez can you imagine the scroat problems without police !!!
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