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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 21, 2020 18:06:50 GMT
He is also a very rich man. . . . . . . WAS a very wealthy man, . . he died 21 years ago, . . and British Waterways sent representatives to attend his funeral, . . most of them were not there to pay their respects or to mourn his passing, but just to make sure that he really was dead and not trying to lull them into a false sense of security with rumours of his demise.
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Post by kris on Jul 21, 2020 18:09:30 GMT
Sorry was
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 21, 2020 18:26:06 GMT
. . . . . . and his considerable wealth was precisely why he could afford to take BWB on with S.106 challenges to their failure to maintain to statutory depths. The piecemeal fund raising you're proposing for similar actions against C&RT covering a broad range of instances and examples of their comprehensive neglect will never be adequate to overcome their vast and well practiced repertoire of legal delaying tactics and costs terrorism that any latter day S.106 claimant will be up against. Direct action, targeted at one provable aspect of C&RT's neglect, with a suitable vessel grounded and blocking the navigation is the way to go, . . and you're the only one in the area with the ideal vessel, . . but, it seems, without the necessary resolve !
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 21, 2020 18:34:27 GMT
Kris is right, though - what is needed is a systematic compilation of neglect / deliberate lack of maintenance / frittering away of money that could be better spent, and for the Government to be held to account for the state of the inland waterways. Trouble is it takes a huge amount of dedicated effort and some expense, and few are willing to take that responsibility on.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 21, 2020 18:55:01 GMT
Kris is right, though - what is needed is a systematic compilation of neglect / deliberate lack of maintenance / frittering away of money that could be better spent, and for the Government to be held to account for the state of the inland waterways. Trouble is it takes a huge amount of dedicated effort and some expense, and few are willing to take that responsibility on. . . . . . . And whilst the lengthy process of compiling such a dossier is in progress, and in the absence of direct action in the shape of stranded boats actually obstructing navigation, C&RT are free to compile a record of the "actual use" (by vessels of the reduced draught) offered in the Defra/C&RT MoU as grounds for a reduction in the statutory depth to which the law at present demands that the waterways be dredged.
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Post by kris on Jul 21, 2020 21:20:23 GMT
Kris is right, though - what is needed is a systematic compilation of neglect / deliberate lack of maintenance / frittering away of money that could be better spent, and for the Government to be held to account for the state of the inland waterways. Trouble is it takes a huge amount of dedicated effort and some expense, and few are willing to take that responsibility on. Wow Ross thank you, that’s very magnanimous of you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 21:31:26 GMT
No one is going to put their home and everything in it at risk, for a political point that is doomed to failure.
The authorities are clearly content with the current situation ... they are the ones who will be the arbiters of what legislation currently means.
Ultimately it's their ball and goal posts and we can rail all we like, I see no signs that change is likely.
The authorities obviously feel management are achieving what was desired.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 21:52:37 GMT
The authorities are clearly content with the current situation ... they are the ones who will be the arbiters of what legislation currently means. Ultimately it's their ball and goal posts and we can rail all we like, I see no signs that change is likely. The authorities obviously feel management are achieving what was desired. Rog Sadly, there are many that display the same negativity as yourself. That is why we are where we are, and will continue to be so.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 21, 2020 22:00:12 GMT
No one is going to put their home and everything in it at risk, for a political point that is doomed to failure. The authorities are clearly content with the current situation ... they are the ones who will be the arbiters of what legislation currently means. Ultimately it's their ball and goal posts and we can rail all we like, I see no signs that change is likely. The authorities obviously feel management are achieving what was desired. Rog A coordinated blockade of the canal at strategic points i.e. either side of the most popular hire bases on 'hire day' might just take the issue forward. If a boater moored on the towpath, 2 or 3 more dropped anchors alongside, what can be done...is there a law that the police could enforce 'blockading of the canal'? I very much doubt it.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 21, 2020 22:06:16 GMT
I have twice presented at the Royal Aeronautical Society in Mayfair, London. It is the sort of place where there are industry and regulator mover-shakers in the audience. First time my presentation was about a ground breaking aviation safety project I was managing. It went down really well.
Second time was my take on the current generation of helicopter simulators and the underlying certification regulations. Well, what was wrong with them really. I soon discovered that people, no matter who they are, simply don’t like negative presentations. They want to hear about solutions and innovations, they don’t want to hear about problems. Fingers in ears and “La La La” was the kind of reaction I got.
I’m sure the same would apply to a bunch of boaters trying to whinge to the relevant minister about CRT’s failings, unfortunately.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 21, 2020 23:04:22 GMT
No one is going to put their home and everything in it at risk, for a political point that is doomed to failure. The authorities are clearly content with the current situation ... they are the ones who will be the arbiters of what legislation currently means. Ultimately it's their ball and goal posts and we can rail all we like, I see no signs that change is likely. The authorities obviously feel management are achieving what was desired. Rog A coordinated blockade of the canal at strategic points i.e. either side of the most popular hire bases on 'hire day' might just take the issue forward. If a boater moored on the towpath, 2 or 3 more dropped anchors alongside, what can be done...is there a law that the police could enforce 'blockading of the canal'? I very much doubt it. Obstructing the navigation is definitely proscribed in the bylaws.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 21, 2020 23:16:59 GMT
A coordinated blockade of the canal at strategic points i.e. either side of the most popular hire bases on 'hire day' might just take the issue forward. If a boater moored on the towpath, 2 or 3 more dropped anchors alongside, what can be done...is there a law that the police could enforce 'blockading of the canal'? I very much doubt it. Obstructing the navigation is definitely proscribed in the bylaws. Can people be prevented from breaking a bylaw by force, or is the only recourse a financial penalty by way of a fine following in due course? Has CRT actually issued a single fine to anyone?
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Post by patty on Jul 22, 2020 3:25:32 GMT
Obstructing the navigation is definitely proscribed in the bylaws. Can people be prevented from breaking a bylaw by force, or is the only recourse a financial penalty by way of a fine following in due course? Has CRT actually issued a single fine to anyone? Well I think if boaters blockaded waterways to highlight CRT failures and CRT could take legal action they would. Didn't farmers do something similar on roads when they were objecting to fuel prices?..or is my memory mismatching facts?
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 22, 2020 4:33:15 GMT
No one is going to put their home and everything in it at risk, for a political point that is doomed to failure. The authorities are clearly content with the current situation ... they are the ones who will be the arbiters of what legislation currently means. Ultimately it's their ball and goal posts and we can rail all we like, I see no signs that change is likely. The authorities obviously feel management are achieving what was desired. Some gave their lives and served prison sentences for the right for first the peasants, and then women to vote. Has 'democracy' in the UK been a 'failure'? Discuss.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 6:26:08 GMT
No one is going to put their home and everything in it at risk, for a political point that is doomed to failure. The authorities are clearly content with the current situation ... they are the ones who will be the arbiters of what legislation currently means. Ultimately it's their ball and goal posts and we can rail all we like, I see no signs that change is likely. The authorities obviously feel management are achieving what was desired. Rog A coordinated blockade of the canal at strategic points i.e. either side of the most popular hire bases on 'hire day' might just take the issue forward. If a boater moored on the towpath, 2 or 3 more dropped anchors alongside, what can be done...is there a law that the police could enforce 'blockading of the canal'? I very much doubt it. This was done as a protest back in 2009 under Save Our System. Didn't make much difference, later the IWA joined in and it all became a damp squib. BW as it was just ignored it.
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