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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 9:19:51 GMT
There’s definately more to this story than what is written on the Facebook post. But what amazes me is the number of people who automatically presume guilt on the part of the boater. We will probably never know the full story and all of the details, but I posted it here to show how desperate this individual feels. The issue is an increasing number of people coming to the canals with personal health and life problems. Obviously crt are not equipped to deal with such issues, (and in truth, I don't suggest they should be), but crt should have the relevant data on organisations that have the ability and expertise to help. They should be contacting these organisations and putting them in touch with the individual. Contrary to popular belief, this is not happening at the moment.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 5, 2020 9:21:26 GMT
Well, let's have more details. I can't see anything via Google. 17 days and so little information... it doesn't even take long to jump on a train at Nottingham and pop down to London to interview this chap personally, and any of his friends who are supporting him. Here ya go, kris, today's trains:
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Post by kris on Sept 5, 2020 9:27:34 GMT
There’s definately more to this story than what is written on the Facebook post. But what amazes me is the number of people who automatically presume guilt on the part of the boater. We will probably never know the full story and all of the details, but I posted it here to show how desperate this individual feels. The issue is an increasing number of people coming to the canals with personal health and life problems. Obviously crt are not equipped to deal with such issues, (and in truth, I don't suggest they should be), but crt should have the relevant data on organisations that have the ability and expertise to help. They should be contacting these organisations and putting them in touch with the individual. Contrary to popular belief, this is not happening at the moment. I completely agree. It’s vulnerable people who seem to get disproportionately hit with boat removals by cart. Rather than removal of homes, cart should be facilitating people getting the help they need. Being a “well being charity,” you would have thought this would be there perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 9:35:32 GMT
There’s definately more to this story than what is written on the Facebook post. But what amazes me is the number of people who automatically presume guilt on the part of the boater. We will probably never know the full story and all of the details, but I posted it here to show how desperate this individual feels. The issue is an increasing number of people coming to the canals with personal health and life problems. Obviously crt are not equipped to deal with such issues, (and in truth, I don't suggest they should be), but crt should have the relevant data on organisations that have the ability and expertise to help. They should be contacting these organisations and putting them in touch with the individual. Contrary to popular belief, this is not happening at the moment. One interesting question might be did the chap ever have a license on the boat or did he come to boats with the intention of remaining unlicensed and "getting away with it". I know this sounds a bit harsh but you can easily put a boat on the cut without a license or just get a visitor ticket to get through an access lock. Some people may choose to do this as an alternative to being homeless.
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Post by patty on Sept 5, 2020 9:37:04 GMT
The issue is an increasing number of people coming to the canals with personal health and life problems. Obviously crt are not equipped to deal with such issues, (and in truth, I don't suggest they should be), but crt should have the relevant data on organisations that have the ability and expertise to help. They should be contacting these organisations and putting them in touch with the individual. Contrary to popular belief, this is not happening at the moment. I completely agree. It’s vulnerable people who seem to get disproportionately hit with boat removals by cart. Rather than removal of homes, cart should be facilitating people getting the help they need. Being a “well being charity,” you would have thought this would be there perspective. 'Well being' charity doesn't seem to include boaters in need Its a shame and very sad that someones home is confiscated whatever the situation As for the tools..well if they r work related they've taken the means away from him to be able to support himself As with all stories of hard luck there are many versions and i suspect the truth has blurred somewhat Whatever, I hope he gets his boat back. Winter is coming.
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Post by kris on Sept 5, 2020 9:40:37 GMT
I completely agree. It’s vulnerable people who seem to get disproportionately hit with boat removals by cart. Rather than removal of homes, cart should be facilitating people getting the help they need. Being a “well being charity,” you would have thought this would be there perspective. 'Well being' charity doesn't seem to include boaters in need Its a shame and very sad that someones home is confiscated whatever the situation As for the tools..well if they r work related they've taken the means away from him to be able to support himself As with all stories of hard luck there are many versions and i suspect the truth has blurred somewhat Whatever, I hope he gets his boat back. Winter is coming. As regards the tools, if they are how he makes his money then I think it’s illegal to take them. I think well being for cart means well being of their management.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 9:41:02 GMT
The issue is an increasing number of people coming to the canals with personal health and life problems. Obviously crt are not equipped to deal with such issues, (and in truth, I don't suggest they should be), but crt should have the relevant data on organisations that have the ability and expertise to help. They should be contacting these organisations and putting them in touch with the individual. Contrary to popular belief, this is not happening at the moment. One interesting question might be did the chap ever have a license on the boat or did he come to boats with the intention of remaining unlicensed and "getting away with it". I know this sounds a bit harsh but you can easily put a boat on the cut without a license or just get a visitor ticket to get through an access lock. Some people may choose to do this as an alternative to being homeless. I am led to believe that the boat was, and previously had been licensed, and the issue came about from the inability to keep up the monthly payments owing to the circumstances around covid 19.
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Post by kris on Sept 5, 2020 9:41:35 GMT
The issue is an increasing number of people coming to the canals with personal health and life problems. Obviously crt are not equipped to deal with such issues, (and in truth, I don't suggest they should be), but crt should have the relevant data on organisations that have the ability and expertise to help. They should be contacting these organisations and putting them in touch with the individual. Contrary to popular belief, this is not happening at the moment. One interesting question might be did the chap ever have a license on the boat or did he come to boats with the intention of remaining unlicensed and "getting away with it". I know this sounds a bit harsh but you can easily put a boat on the cut without a license or just get a visitor ticket to get through an access lock. Some people may choose to do this as an alternative to being homeless. As usual I’m sure we won’t know the full story. Or maybe we will see Steve’s post.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 11:05:13 GMT
Don't you think blaming the individual concerned is just a defence mechanism with some folks ... after all to say "it's his own fault" absolves us as a society of any responsibility.
You see similar reactions to the homeless situation ... it's because they're druggies, con men, alcoholics ... helps us all sleep better in our warm beds.
I'm sure we don't have the full facts, but feeling sorry for the guy and the predicament he finds himself mired in, even if he's contributed, seems the least we can do.
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Post by patty on Sept 5, 2020 11:08:33 GMT
Don't you think blaming the individual concerned is just a defence mechanism with some folks ... after all to say "it's his own fault" absolves us as a society of any responsibility. You see similar reactions to the homeless situation ... it's because they're druggies, con men, alcoholics ... helps us all sleep better in our warm beds. I'm sure we don't have the full facts, but feeling sorry for the guy and the predicament he finds himself mired in, even if he's contributed, seems the least we can do. Rog Oh yes there always has to be a person at fault....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 11:16:53 GMT
I do feel sorry for an individual who gets to this point. You can't really feel any differently. Same with homeless people. I don't give to homeless people because if I did not then give to all of them it would be discrimination. If I did give to all of them I would end up in the same position...
It's a mental health thing. As @bedruthan pointed out there should be services to deal with people in trouble. But they are thin on the ground.
Mental health is a big elephant in the room when it comes to the cut.
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Post by patty on Sept 5, 2020 12:29:30 GMT
I do feel sorry for an individual who gets to this point. You can't really feel any differently. Same with homeless people. I don't give to homeless people because if I did not then give to all of them it would be discrimination. If I did give to all of them I would end up in the same position... It's a mental health thing. As @bedruthan pointed out there should be services to deal with people in trouble. But they are thin on the ground. Mental health is a big elephant in the room when it comes to the cut. Mental Health is that elephant in the room in many places..it is becoming a more open topic but sadly I don't think enough is done when I left work post my breakdown my manager crossed the road to avoid me..I've never forgotten the way I was treated by the 'caring NHS'..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 12:51:18 GMT
it does seem to be a remarkably screwed system.
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Post by lollygagger on Sept 5, 2020 13:29:03 GMT
He has (had) tools. He apparently normally works and gets by. He had 2 boats? "CRT took the one with the engine and tools." Presumably goes home to his other boat? Does he even live on a boat?
Are peoples mental health concerns based on diabetes/hunger strike?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 13:33:28 GMT
I reckon anyone sitting outside like that doing a "hunger strike" has issues.
I wonder if the nbta have attached themselves to this story.
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