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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 5, 2020 13:40:28 GMT
I know where this chap is from. Nuneaton.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 5, 2020 15:09:58 GMT
The issue is an increasing number of people coming to the canals with personal health and life problems. Obviously crt are not equipped to deal with such issues, (and in truth, I don't suggest they should be), but crt should have the relevant data on organisations that have the ability and expertise to help. They should be contacting these organisations and putting them in touch with the individual. Contrary to popular belief, this is not happening at the moment. I completely agree. It’s vulnerable people who seem to get disproportionately hit with boat removals by cart. Rather than removal of homes, cart should be facilitating people getting the help they need. Being a “well being charity,” you would have thought this would be there perspective. I don’t agree that it is CRT’s responsibility to help the chap with his difficulties. They are a navigation authority, they are not social services. If someone parked a van on Oxford Street and decided to live in it there, the “navigation authority” for the road system would have it towed away and impounded. No-one would be up in arms sobbing about him losing his home. So yes it is unfortunate, and he may or may not be the engineer of his own downfall, but either way he is not CRT’s problem.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 5, 2020 15:27:32 GMT
"Hello everyone and thanks for accepting me. Basically I am doing research with my partner as we are looking into living on the Waters! London rent as you know is ridiculous, and rather than kill ourselves trying to save for a mortgage, we thought why not live on a boat so we are seriously considering it. Anyone here done the same thing? We are looking into Widebeams, where you can Moor them permanently so we can still commute to work, costs etc.. I would love to chat to someone who lives in a Widebeam in London."
So... the canals are just a means of cheap accommodation, and very little (or nothing) to do with boating. And still the illegals are crossing the English Channel from France - no wonder there are no council houses available.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 15:34:39 GMT
I completely agree. It’s vulnerable people who seem to get disproportionately hit with boat removals by cart. Rather than removal of homes, cart should be facilitating people getting the help they need. Being a “well being charity,” you would have thought this would be there perspective. I don’t agree that it is CRT’s responsibility to help the chap with his difficulties. They are a navigation authority, they are not social services. If someone parked a van on Oxford Street and decided to live in it there, the “navigation authority” for the road system would have it towed away and impounded. No-one would be up in arms sobbing about him losing his home. So yes it is unfortunate, and he may or may not be the engineer of his own downfall, but either way he is not CRT’s problem. How naive of you to think he or others like him are not in some way crts problem. The very fact that the law of the land allows people to live on the canals also brings with it a duty of care. In this instance, that is crts responsibility. As with all businesses and organisations, they have a duty of care once entering into a contract with you. The only reason for the breakdown of this, is the fact that many people just like yourself look for the easiest option to avoid dealing with it, sweep it under the carpet, and let someone else pick it up. As for crt being a navigation authority, well, that's just a joke. Crt ridded themselves of that noose when they rebranded.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 15:41:31 GMT
I wonder what the results of a questionnaire to CRT PBL and PBC (license) holders would be if you asked people "do you agree with CRT being responsible for the housing, welfare and health of license holders in the same way a council would be to its tenants?". Or something like that. How many license holders -really- believe that there is some sort of "safety net" there? If it goes tits up then yes you chose to live on a boat. It's often a very cheap way to live. Very cheap things are often not as good as more expensive things. It should really be up to local authorities to deal with this sort of problem but they are snowed under already. As NigelMoore used to point out you get zero security of tenure if you live on a boat. Zero. 0. Nought. This applies even if you are paying for a residential mooring. It's a completely different ball game to living on land. People need to understand this or problems will occur. You may think you have rights but you don't.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 5, 2020 15:46:44 GMT
More comments on London Boaters Facebook have appeared:
"There is some history behind it clearly and they (CRT) have previously served a notice."
"I know this guy. He was moored up near me after lockdown. This is actually quite heartbreaking. He was so sweet - set up a towpath soup kitchen and was feeding anyone who needed it."
"So it's a boater that leaves locks open, paddles up n moors on disability mooring." - "Afraid so."
"The guy he's with called Geza frackman hes a nasty person. Hees attacked me and attacked nhs staff"
"I've met this fellah a few times on my travels. He is a lovely guy."
"This may or may not be the chap from out on the lea/stort that had his boat taken after he did washing for other boaters and made food for people. Tbh, I'm not sure if he charged anything or not but was told he needed a business licence which he says he could not afford. His boat was then ceased as he didn't have the right licence according to those that know him, if his meant health has been suffering perhaps he didn't engage in the way that many of us would have done and negotiated, but that is just my conjecture. There may be more behind the scenes but a friend called me because I worked in social care for a very long time and as a psychiatric nurse he was worried that the guy I've just described had chained himself to the crt office out by Enfield and was on hunger strike. I find it hard to believe that 2 people would match this description. My friend was trying to support him and look up local health support, but I know he had to leave town for work as he was literally just collecting a boat to move out of town. Perhaps there are a multitude of other issues, re the boat and health, but someone has to be pretty desperate to go to these lengths, 17 days or not...and I think that is the mesaage we all need to read and understand."
"that’s the story he told me about CRT Enfield ... and I must admit in talking to him at some length his mental state and other things are at play including maybe a lack of full understanding with English as a 2nd language"
"What CRT appear to have done in this instance doesn't qualify as a charitable act"
"he doesn't look very hungry"
"This is Paul, he IS diabetic and IS on day 17 of the hunger strike regardless of what he appears to look like."
"do you know where Pete who was cruising with him, is?" - "Pete is just before Waltham abbey lock. Will be here another week or so."
"I still believe there is more to this than being said, CRT would not be able to take a boat, without going through the due process, that would involve letters, visits, then courts and I do not believe if it was his home they would even get to court stage in the present time. If it was just for his licence, could have claimed benefits, there are organisations that will help etc. such as Waterways Chaplinacy. As I say there must be something that is not being told."
Kermit Andrew "God, there are some wanky comments on here. I don’t know this man’s background or story but to lose one’s home is bad enough without members of a group you’d expect to be, at least sympathetic, throwing shit? I hope none of you experience this sort of hardship." - so, err.... 'Kermit'... you'll be putting him up on board your boat, will you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 15:49:54 GMT
I'm surprised you didn't notice he is furrin
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 15:52:05 GMT
I wonder what the results of a questionnaire to CRT PBL and PBC (license) holders would be if you asked people "do you agree with CRT being responsible for the housing, welfare and health of license holders in the same way a council would be to its tenants?". Or something like that. How many license holders -really- believe that there is some sort of "safety net" there? If it goes tits up then yes you chose to live on a boat. It's often a very cheap way to live. Very cheap things are often not as good as more expensive things. It should really be up to local authorities to deal with this sort of problem but they are snowed under already. As I stated earlier, there is an increasing number of people with various issues coming to the canals. The driver is obviously in many cases a financial one. The fact that crt are blatantly trying to ignore and avoid the issue is ludicrous. In time it will be a much bigger issue, and I've no doubt crts "wellbeing" logo will become a weapon used against them. In 2013, parry was adamant that the liveaboards would slowly decrease, in fact it has trebled in numbers, largely due to crts own pr relating to "life's better by water". I'm surprised parry is not constantly using crutches, given the number of times he seems to shoot himself in the foot.
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Post by Jim on Sept 5, 2020 15:54:37 GMT
CRT responsible as a landlord? Not in the rules for normal landlords, possibly some housing associations take on that role, I know at least one. It's up to any landlord if they wish to help a feckless or unwell tenant, but it's not a duty.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 5, 2020 15:55:17 GMT
"the guy I've just described had chained himself to the crt office out by Enfield and was on hunger strike."
Eh? What happened there, then? Didn't die of starvation then?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 15:56:33 GMT
Uber Eats?
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 5, 2020 15:58:20 GMT
I'm surprised you didn't notice he is furrin I've nothing against foreigners as long as they're not piss-takers. It's all the illegals with their latest mobile phones and £200 Nike trainers arriving on the south coast courtesy of Border Farce I'm not keen on, especially when a couple of years later they're demanding mosques be built, and marching in Blackburn with holding up signs saying 'Fuck the Police' and 'Behead the Infidels'. What a cheek.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 5, 2020 15:59:48 GMT
I'm surprised you didn't notice he is furrin Why can't he stay on his mate Pete's boat? Waltham Abbey not that far from Parliament.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 16:30:46 GMT
I'm surprised you didn't notice he is furrin I've nothing against foreigners as long as they're not piss-takers. It's all the illegals with their latest mobile phones and £200 Nike trainers arriving on the south coast courtesy of Border Farce I'm not keen on, especially when a couple of years later they're demanding mosques be built, and marching in Blackburn with holding up signs saying 'Fuck the Police' and 'Behead the Infidels'. What a cheek. I bet mentally challenged people think that a nasty wanker like you really knows what he's talking about.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 5, 2020 17:48:13 GMT
I've nothing against foreigners as long as they're not piss-takers. It's all the illegals with their latest mobile phones and £200 Nike trainers arriving on the south coast courtesy of Border Farce I'm not keen on, especially when a couple of years later they're demanding mosques be built, and marching in Blackburn with holding up signs saying 'Fuck the Police' and 'Behead the Infidels'. What a cheek. I bet mentally challenged people think that a nasty wanker like you really knows what he's talking about. "Taxpayers are rightfully angry as having to meet the costs of looking after the illegals and their greedy friends in the legal profession. Add to this not being able to access their still being paid GP's, a bloated House Of Lords, foreign aid more needed at home, plus an unwanted HS2. Taxpayers need their monies spent sensibly and fairly for their benefit." "Hundreds of anti-immigration protesters clash with police in Dover and block traffic after a record 409 asylum seekers crossed the Channel in a day this week, bringing total for year to more than 5,600" www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8700851/Police-clash-anti-immigration-protesters-blocking-dual-carriageway-march-Dover.html#comments Friends of yours, Nemesis?
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