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Post by Graham on Oct 17, 2016 9:21:01 GMT
Actually how I voted, as I have posted before so you could not have read the post, does not matter. What matters is how and what needs to be done to make the 52% who voted out happy and comfortable that they have been heard and they are happy with the result of what is done. So tell me how you would propose to make that 52% happy and still remain in the EU? Are you trying to wear me down with drivel? I have, at length, without quoting any sources, given you my considered and personal opinion on this. thunderboat.boards.net/post/20655I read your standard answers, do away with poverty etc and the EU not being responsible for the bank failure. Well I am not sure you are correct by a long way. The EU was responsible for the control of the european banks so why did so many of them fail and have to be supported. However none of that matters today, what matters is what we are going to do that will make the 52% happy today and over the next two years while we withdraw from the EU. What do you think will happen if that 52% are not happy?
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Post by peterboat on Oct 17, 2016 9:23:41 GMT
Interesting I can think of times through out my life when the pound has moved that sort of amount and it has been nothing to do with the UK. Take it from me the reason the pound has gone down is all to do with money markets playing with values of currencies to gain a profit and a lack of understanding as to how serious and capable we are to do this and win through. Maybe it is time to buy British and encourage our farmers to grow what we need and our manufacturers to produce what we need in the UK. I would suggest that over the recent years we have ignored our UK products in preference to cheap oversea stuff. Every time it has happened it has been seen as crisis and extreme measures have been taken to try and get our currency back into the game. Demand is king, we are a net importer. You, and I, are worse off now and whereas, yes a growth in local economy is a good thing are you really ready to embrace the Good Life peasant self-sufficiency model? My post earlier was about the price of computers. Have they suddenly become a luxury in your world? You see, some of the people who shout loudest about Brexit being a good thing when they have the nowse to know better are those, like Peterboat, who can easily stand being without their nose just to spite their face. Ie they have enough money to cushion the fall. Britain is, as we write, 20% worse off in literal terms and we haven't even got there yet. Pound parity with the dollar by christmas isn't unlikely, when we were at $1.50 a few months ago. That's 50% on all our imports from petrol-dollar countries. Well Emma I am well off but how did a a lad with a miner for a father do that? he passed his 11 plus but didnt go to grammer school [3 hours each way on buses] went to local high school and worked his whole life thats how. If I hadnt got divorced I would be a lot better off now but who wants to live in hell? The problem with life is that this is it its not a practice its the real thing I saw poor and didnt want that so I worked to get where I am which is pensioned and retired early
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Post by emma on Oct 17, 2016 9:23:43 GMT
This should give anyone cause for concern; "There is no definitive study of the economic impact of the UK’s EU membership or the costs and benefits of withdrawal”, the House of Commons Library says." Not that it's a net gain or a net loss but that it's actually an unknown is a very strange way to undertake a massive economic change. All I know is that Brexit hasn't even happened and we, the UK, are 20% worse off in global terms with no-one, not even the <sneer> brexiteers </sneer> saying that this will recover. Like many others I dont care if the pound keeps on going down it makes our products cheap and it puts off foreign labour coming here as the exchange is so poor. It also means that car buyers might take a look at our cheaper home made products and not buy expensive EU imports this would apply to all things made here. But in the end it doesnt matter what you think as the majority of the country who voted wanted out of the disgusting wreck that the EU has become You write as if it's a static thing and a done deal, it's neither. What's your tortured English? Regrexiters? Opinion is beginning to swing as the truth emerges from the lies. It's beginning to sound more and more desperate as you lot are cling to the empty mantra of June 23rd.
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Post by Graham on Oct 17, 2016 9:24:45 GMT
And you can tell me how you lot intend to deal with Ireland. (Let me guess, a return to the good ol' days of the 1850s) The Irish Times today; "Irish government minister Ruairí Quinn said last week that this was the biggest crisis faced by Ireland since the outbreak of the second World War in 1939.This time the battlegrounds will be trade, commerce and migration, but the scale of what is happening is indeed slowly becoming apparent."www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/the-harder-the-brexit-the-worse-it-is-for-ireland-1.2829838The whole article should send a chill through anyone's heart. The possibility return to the troubles is not hyperbole. Still, that will make loads of jobs in the English Army. Actually no jobs for the British Army, your a scot I guess. The answer is simple really, the majority want to remain in the EU so let them by merging with Eire. That is what the last oh 200 years has been about one Eire.
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Post by emma on Oct 17, 2016 9:28:00 GMT
Every time it has happened it has been seen as crisis and extreme measures have been taken to try and get our currency back into the game. Demand is king, we are a net importer. You, and I, are worse off now and whereas, yes a growth in local economy is a good thing are you really ready to embrace the Good Life peasant self-sufficiency model? My post earlier was about the price of computers. Have they suddenly become a luxury in your world? You see, some of the people who shout loudest about Brexit being a good thing when they have the nowse to know better are those, like Peterboat, who can easily stand being without their nose just to spite their face. Ie they have enough money to cushion the fall. Britain is, as we write, 20% worse off in literal terms and we haven't even got there yet. Pound parity with the dollar by christmas isn't unlikely, when we were at $1.50 a few months ago. That's 50% on all our imports from petrol-dollar countries. Well Emma I am well off but how did a a lad with a miner for a father do that? he passed his 11 plus but didnt go to grammer school [3 hours each way on buses] went to local high school and worked his whole life thats how. If I hadnt got divorced I would be a lot better off now but who wants to live in hell? The problem with life is that this is it its not a practice its the real thing I saw poor and didnt want that so I worked to get where I am which is pensioned and retired early I hear this a lot as a justification for your ill-thought out decision. "I'm alright Jack", and "I didn't get where am today..." seems to be the Thatcherite reasoning for a certain part of the Leave vote. What you fail to take into account is your initiative and drive are not 'available' to everyone and, as a society, we have to take those into account as well. There is nothing in the near future for those currently struggling except more and deeper struggle.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 17, 2016 9:46:02 GMT
I can't read red on blue so I have absolutely no idea what you're highlighting.
If you were correct on your point 2 then explain why France and Germany, the biggest net contributors are the most vociferous in wanting the EU to continue. ( I do find it amusing that you think Cameron's half-hearted approach is the kind that achieves anything and suddenly he's your knight in shining armour rather than a rather pathetic Bullingdon boy deprived of his mother's love ) And please don't try the Marie le Pen arguments until and unless she becomes president as, like Farage and his lunatics, every time she does get pushed to the surface by her loony right supporters she gets heartily slapped back down again. How very convenient.Wherever did I say that I supported Cameron's half-hearted approach? The bloke was a joke with his pathetic attempt to convince us that he was negotiating us a good deal. Try to read what I wrote not what you wish to read. France and Germany are vociferous because they wish the present situation to continue. Germany is the EU super-power so feels no need to change anything. France likes to feel that it is a major player in the Eu despite its economy being on the ropes. You have only to travel in France to see the amount of small businesses that have closed to realise that. But, their bureaucrats love the fact they can strut the world stage as an equal of Germany (excuse my laughter) and can continue to boast that they have the European Parliament in Strasbourg once a month (part of France in case you didn't realise) instead of solely in Brussels. That little bit of ego costs the EU about £130 million. Wasteful, the EU, no I must be joking. I don't get your reference to Marine le Pen. I only stated that there was a desire among NON Marine le Pen citizens for a referendum of their own. Try reading what I wrote not what you wish to read. (sounds a bit repetitive I know but sound advice all the same). Roger
Roger she isnt fibbing I cant read red on blue either but I agree with everything you are saying keep going Peter
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Post by peterboat on Oct 17, 2016 10:35:47 GMT
Well Emma I am well off but how did a a lad with a miner for a father do that? he passed his 11 plus but didnt go to grammer school [3 hours each way on buses] went to local high school and worked his whole life thats how. If I hadnt got divorced I would be a lot better off now but who wants to live in hell? The problem with life is that this is it its not a practice its the real thing I saw poor and didnt want that so I worked to get where I am which is pensioned and retired early I hear this a lot as a justification for your ill-thought out decision. "I'm alright Jack", and "I didn't get where am today..." seems to be the Thatcherite reasoning for a certain part of the Leave vote. What you fail to take into account is your initiative and drive are not 'available' to everyone and, as a society, we have to take those into account as well. There is nothing in the near future for those currently struggling except more and deeper struggle. Well Emma in the old days people used to get jobs in line with their education, which meant road sweeping fruit picking etc. However because of Blair telling everybody that they could go to uni and do better, they dont want those jobs and would rather be on the dole than do them so we import labour to do them. A change is needed a lot of unis need to go, proper courses need taught in those uni's and they need to free for all not just the well off. We need to go back to poly techs and apprenticeships and a degree has to have value not just an oligy that nobody requires, and yes people have to accept that a large amount of the population has to do manual labour and we arnt going to bring in foreign workers to do it Nobody said life is easy but for some it seems to be ie the professional layabout and some of the constant educators that never do owt but more degrees
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Post by patty on Oct 17, 2016 13:00:42 GMT
When my brother left school..I think it was 16, he had this sort of notion that he would idle away the hours get drunk and throw up at will..I remember my dad throwing him out telling him not to return unless he'd got a job. He went out and got himself an apprenticeship at Mann Egerton Garage as car mechanic. In those days you worked. I went to a grammar school and then nurse training at Westminster Hospital. Trouble is apprenticeships fell out of fashion, everyone had to be uni educated and then of course in came Micky Mouse degrees..we do need to step back and for some jobs in restaurants etc has to be it. We need to be realistic we also need skilled labour that the old time apprenticeships supplied. Any job better than none and although I do class myself as being fairly well educated, trained as a nurse, err married(nuff said) and have always sought to acquire knowledge I have also ripped house out, shovelled shit and fat from a cesspit, cleared up 20 years of rat excrement from barns, Ive also worked as a waitress..to me a jobs a job and if it needs doing just do it. I don't see myself as "too posh or educated" to do menial labour..yet there are those who do. If I have me marigolds I tackle almost anything. Im not rich but Im comfortable, I could employ people for the shit jobs here but I don't..I have a go, if I needed to return to work, I would.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 17, 2016 16:54:58 GMT
When my brother left school..I think it was 16, he had this sort of notion that he would idle away the hours get drunk and throw up at will..I remember my dad throwing him out telling him not to return unless he'd got a job. He went out and got himself an apprenticeship at Mann Egerton Garage as car mechanic. In those days you worked. I went to a grammar school and then nurse training at Westminster Hospital. Trouble is apprenticeships fell out of fashion, everyone had to be uni educated and then of course in came Micky Mouse degrees..we do need to step back and for some jobs in restaurants etc has to be it. We need to be realistic we also need skilled labour that the old time apprenticeships supplied. Any job better than none and although I do class myself as being fairly well educated, trained as a nurse, err married(nuff said) and have always sought to acquire knowledge I have also ripped house out, shovelled shit and fat from a cesspit, cleared up 20 years of rat excrement from barns, Ive also worked as a waitress..to me a jobs a job and if it needs doing just do it. I don't see myself as "too posh or educated" to do menial labour..yet there are those who do. If I have me marigolds I tackle almost anything. Im not rich but Im comfortable, I could employ people for the shit jobs here but I don't..I have a go, if I needed to return to work, I would. Well Patty two of us are on the same page at least
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Post by Graham on Oct 17, 2016 17:06:34 GMT
When my brother left school..I think it was 16, he had this sort of notion that he would idle away the hours get drunk and throw up at will..I remember my dad throwing him out telling him not to return unless he'd got a job. He went out and got himself an apprenticeship at Mann Egerton Garage as car mechanic. In those days you worked. I went to a grammar school and then nurse training at Westminster Hospital. Trouble is apprenticeships fell out of fashion, everyone had to be uni educated and then of course in came Micky Mouse degrees..we do need to step back and for some jobs in restaurants etc has to be it. We need to be realistic we also need skilled labour that the old time apprenticeships supplied. Any job better than none and although I do class myself as being fairly well educated, trained as a nurse, err married(nuff said) and have always sought to acquire knowledge I have also ripped house out, shovelled shit and fat from a cesspit, cleared up 20 years of rat excrement from barns, Ive also worked as a waitress..to me a jobs a job and if it needs doing just do it. I don't see myself as "too posh or educated" to do menial labour..yet there are those who do. If I have me marigolds I tackle almost anything. Im not rich but Im comfortable, I could employ people for the shit jobs here but I don't..I have a go, if I needed to return to work, I would. Well Patty two of us are on the same page at least In the 70s my job and I parted company, cost them in the end, but I had a family to feed and a new job to find, So I took on a milk round, it was winter brrrr but it let me work from 3AM to noon and then the afternoon job hunting. No one starved and the state did not pay and we had more money than the state would have paid.
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Post by Higgs on Oct 17, 2016 17:32:18 GMT
I'm afraid emma isn't aware of the damage that unrestricted access to euroworkers is have on the supply of jobs open to the local population. It was mentioned earlier but went right over emma's head or was disregarded. It is not the kind of employment practice that improves working contracts or conditions and it does not encourage training. what rubbish. the reason migrant labour is brought in to these jobs is that the English are unwilling or unable to do them. it's not a question of undercutting the price of labour either as there is the minimum wage. Complete and utter tripe. Get your mind off seasonal farm working and get clued up on firms like Sports Direct. No worker should have to work under those conditions, British or foreign. You have no idea of the fear companies and agencies create within the workforce. If you are a local worker and have left that kind of a company, you never go back. Word gets around and the employer has one line of employees left. Local employees become scarce and only European workers would stand the appalling conditions, with even more to lose than a local. I doubt you've any experience of this, I have. Keep the employees insecure, it's surprising what you can get away with as an employer. Workers are being treated as disposable. With so many foreign workers, this will continue to be the case and you will not improve conditions or contracts. Shut the door, as soon as possible. Give the seasonal workers work permits.
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Post by emma on Oct 17, 2016 17:58:57 GMT
Sports Direct is run by the EU? How strange, I though Mike Ashley to be English.
Please explain how the EU has caused this situation.
You seem a little confused.
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Post by Higgs on Oct 17, 2016 18:10:11 GMT
Sports Direct is run by the EU? How strange, I though Mike Ashley to be English. Please explain how the EU has caused this situation. You seem a little confused. You must be dense. Put a five year old on. They could explain it to you.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 17, 2016 18:21:31 GMT
Sports Direct is run by the EU? How strange, I though Mike Ashley to be English. Please explain how the EU has caused this situation. You seem a little confused. You must be dense. Put a five year old on. They could explain it to you. Is it cos they got an inexhaustible supply of cheap eu labour by any chance mister?
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Post by Higgs on Oct 17, 2016 18:31:13 GMT
You must be dense. Put a five year old on. They could explain it to you. Is it cos they got an inexhaustible supply of cheap eu labour by any chance mister? The fountain that never dries up. Ever green for the employer.
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