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Post by emma on Oct 17, 2016 21:11:29 GMT
Strewth but you two are naive. What difference does it make to their business model whether it's Romanians or skint families from Sunderland? The zero-hours contracts weren't a product of Brussels, they are permitted and encouraged by the UK government, forcing people into these jobs.
But hey you don't care who works in Ashley's sweatshops. The way to stop his abuses is simple. Don't buy cheap crap from Sports Direct.
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Post by emma on Oct 17, 2016 21:12:20 GMT
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me some good news or a coherent plan.
Anyone?
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Post by patty on Oct 17, 2016 21:25:47 GMT
Is it cos they got an inexhaustible supply of cheap eu labour by any chance mister? The fountain that never dries up. Ever green for the employer. Including one of my sons whose returned from his time up North, they only employ part time and he's skint and could only get a job there.
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Post by Higgs on Oct 17, 2016 21:49:15 GMT
Strewth but you two are naive. What difference does it make to their business model whether it's Romanians or skint families from Sunderland? The zero-hours contracts weren't a product of Brussels, they are permitted and encouraged by the UK government, forcing people into these jobs. But hey you don't care who works in Ashley's sweatshops. The way to stop his abuses is simple. Don't buy cheap crap from Sports Direct. It makes no difference to their business model. But, as I've said, UK nationals will not touch businesses like Sports Direct, once bitten, leaving only non UK nationals to fill the posts. The UK government have allowed these poor employment practices to expand and become common. One thing that incensed me about Corbyn was his support of the EU because it was somehow making workers' rights stronger. I think he meant to say - employers rights. The French are at it too. It is all down to a need to make businesses more 'flexible' and able to react quickly to their circumstances. In other words, don't give employees firm contracts that will commit the company to greater investment in its human resources. As with the stock they keep in their stores, they only keep what stores of people they need and cut when they don't. Cut the supply of euroworkers and companies might start to appreciate their human resources. Realising they have become finite and they cannot afford to be wasteful. I'd hope that this kind of pressure will slowly make agency work and zero hour redundant. It never used to be the norm and shouldn't be. These casual contracts seriously undermine the workers ability to find security. Make of this what you will, I have no wish to trade insults.
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Post by emma on Oct 17, 2016 22:09:11 GMT
Today's nail in the coffin of Brexit; a report from 2010 where the government agrees that referendums are advisory and that any result has to pass Parliamentary scrutiny. www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201011/ldselect/ldconst/34/34.pdfSorry boys, it just ain't going to happen. I know, I know it's those fact thingies again that you're trying to get rid of, along with experts but they do have a habit of rearing their ugly head.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 17, 2016 22:16:06 GMT
Today's nail in the coffin of Brexit; a report from 2010 where the government agrees that referendums are advisory and that any result has to pass Parliamentary scrutiny. www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201011/ldselect/ldconst/34/34.pdfSorry boys, it just ain't going to happen. I know, I know it's those fact thingies again that you're trying to get rid of, along with experts but they do have a habit of rearing their ugly head. It will happen regardless of how much you hold your breath and turn red because the current government have said they are bound by the results next march the process will begin and the negotiations will start. It is in the document towards the end that the government would be foolish to ignore the results it waffles on but you get the gist
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Post by emma on Oct 17, 2016 22:18:14 GMT
Strewth but you two are naive. What difference does it make to their business model whether it's Romanians or skint families from Sunderland? The zero-hours contracts weren't a product of Brussels, they are permitted and encouraged by the UK government, forcing people into these jobs. But hey you don't care who works in Ashley's sweatshops. The way to stop his abuses is simple. Don't buy cheap crap from Sports Direct. It makes no difference to their business model. But, as I've said, UK nationals will not touch businesses like Sports Direct, once bitten, leaving only non UK nationals to fill the posts. The UK government have allowed these poor employment practices to expand and become common. One thing that incensed me about Corbyn was his support of the EU because it was somehow making workers' rights stronger. I think he meant to say - employers rights. The French are at it too. It is all down to a need to make businesses more 'flexible' and able to react quickly to their circumstances. In other words, don't give employees firm contracts that will commit the company to greater investment in its human resources. As with the stock they keep in their stores, they only keep what stores of people they need and cut when they don't. Cut the supply of euroworkers and companies might start to appreciate their human resources. Realising they have become finite and they cannot afford to be wasteful. I'd hope that this kind of pressure will slowly make agency work and zero hour redundant. It never used to be the norm and shouldn't be. These casual contracts seriously undermine the workers ability to find security. Make of this what you will, I have no wish to trade insults. Facts as insults, new one on me deary. Crap work is going nowhere. I'm not sure why you think the EU is the villain here, Sports Direct didn't arise from nowhere it's a response to our social situation. Call centres anyone? Why didn't SD cut out the middleman and startup in Romania if Euro labour was their aim, no minimum wage there. I see where you're at, you, as so many other disenfranchised are simply doing as your rulers tell you. Blame the poor for your poverty and leave the rich to get on with their exploitation. Perhaps you'll get some work building Jerusalem.
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Post by Albion on Oct 17, 2016 22:18:27 GMT
Strewth but you two are naive. What difference does it make to their business model whether it's Romanians or skint families from Sunderland? The zero-hours contracts weren't a product of Brussels, they are permitted and encouraged by the UK government, forcing people into these jobs. But hey you don't care who works in Ashley's sweatshops. The way to stop his abuses is simple. Don't buy cheap crap from Sports Direct. Now that is something that we agree on and, although we have a Sports Direct almost across the road, I would rather travel elsewhere or find an independent shop for those sorts of goods. Roger
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Post by Higgs on Oct 18, 2016 5:12:20 GMT
It makes no difference to their business model. But, as I've said, UK nationals will not touch businesses like Sports Direct, once bitten, leaving only non UK nationals to fill the posts. The UK government have allowed these poor employment practices to expand and become common. One thing that incensed me about Corbyn was his support of the EU because it was somehow making workers' rights stronger. I think he meant to say - employers rights. The French are at it too. It is all down to a need to make businesses more 'flexible' and able to react quickly to their circumstances. In other words, don't give employees firm contracts that will commit the company to greater investment in its human resources. As with the stock they keep in their stores, they only keep what stores of people they need and cut when they don't. Cut the supply of euroworkers and companies might start to appreciate their human resources. Realising they have become finite and they cannot afford to be wasteful. I'd hope that this kind of pressure will slowly make agency work and zero hour redundant. It never used to be the norm and shouldn't be. These casual contracts seriously undermine the workers ability to find security. Make of this what you will, I have no wish to trade insults. Facts as insults, new one on me deary. Crap work is going nowhere. I'm not sure why you think the EU is the villain here, Sports Direct didn't arise from nowhere it's a response to our social situation. Call centres anyone? Why didn't SD cut out the middleman and startup in Romania if Euro labour was their aim, no minimum wage there. I see where you're at, you, as so many other disenfranchised are simply doing as your rulers tell you. Blame the poor for your poverty and leave the rich to get on with their exploitation. Perhaps you'll get some work building Jerusalem. Sports Direct operates throughout the EU, the UK market dwarfs the combined other interests. The owner is a control freak and it is not surprising that he has installed himself to oversee the operation, even though he admitted as an excuse for the appalling conditions of his workers that it had probably become too large an operation for him to have noticed the problem. His distribution centre is in the UK, we are a better hub than Outer Mongolia or Romania. He doesn't have to go to the worker, they come to him. He's a penny pincher. People don't just come to this country to earn a better wage than their own country could give them, they come here with the sole purpose of staying and living here permanently. These people will endure and keep quiet. There's one good reason the main operation and warehouse is in this country, it has worked fantastic for the owner. If my irritation with working conditions and contractual insecurity is a sign of my support of exploitation, you're obviously not wired up quit as soundly as you believe.
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Post by emma on Oct 18, 2016 20:02:17 GMT
you're on the way out;
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Post by emma on Oct 18, 2016 20:04:50 GMT
plus the challenge in the high court today produced this statement from the government ( which actually caused a slight - slight mind you recovery in Sterling against the dollar ):" Parliament is “very likely” to be asked to ratify any future treaty agreement with the European Union, the high court has been told by lawyers for the government."
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Post by emma on Oct 18, 2016 20:05:44 GMT
are you still going to try and defy the will of the people?
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Post by Higgs on Oct 18, 2016 20:55:27 GMT
So far, the deal that might be on offer by the government is a parliamentary vote to ratify any treaty with the EU that the UK has negotiated... after Article 5o has been triggered. The challenges want parliamentary involvement to stop Theresa May triggering Article 50. In other words, for parliament to control the reins.
If parliament get the chance to ratify but considers dithering and trying to hold up the procedures and the two year period elapses, we will be out of the EU without an agreement, unless an extension can be granted. So, it is hardly fait accompli for the challengers until they win the right to stop Theresa May from triggering Article 50.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 18, 2016 21:01:12 GMT
You are clutching at straws Emma we will leave only a fool would disobey the will of the people and Mrs May is no fool and what will happen if something happens in court it will be appealed and by the time the appeal is heard the article will have been triggered and we will l;eave after all what can they do really?
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Post by peterboat on Oct 18, 2016 21:03:29 GMT
What it really boils down to is will the MPs want to give up the gravy train if they take a chance and vote against the people
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