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Post by dyertribe on Mar 13, 2021 17:31:05 GMT
I don’t buy the “that’s how a man’s hormones work” argument, we would still be in the Stone Age if we succumbed to that line of reasoning. We are supposed to have come a long way from there. If two people are mutually attracted to each other then fill your boots, consenting adults and all that, but the cat calling and harassment is NOT mutual and NOT consenting and those who are hard of thinking of any sex need to learn that and teach their kids. It’s only a prick tease if you have a relationship in the first place. Window-shopping, in a non pervy way is one thing, handling the goods (or remarking on the goods in a crass and offensive way) is another and is totally unacceptable. If this is not obvious to you you need counselling, and quick. It may come as a shock to you but the vast majority of women do not and will not fancy you and they do not want you to comment on their appearance or touch them in anyway at all. The ego of you and your ilk is the only breathtaking thing about you. That is such a naive and ignorant reply. There are situations where it is perfectly acceptable to walk around half naked, on the street is not one of them. Unless you and others start to recognise that this problem derives from both sexes, we will never see change. I don’t set out in the morning to look at half naked women, but it seems there are women who set out each morning to make sure I do. I suppose they get a buzz out of it? I don’t know, but it’s bloody weird. Looking at half naked women is not the problem, as you say if the dress like that then they will know they will be looked at, much in the same was as a woman who is fully clothed will and the woman dressed as a Tellytubby will be looked at. But here’s the thing; how a woman (or any other person of whatever gender) dresses does NOT signal permission for anyone to comment on their appearance, certainly not in a rude and demeaning way and certainly does not signal permission for anyone to touch them in any way. Where does it say that it is not permissible to walk around half naked on the street?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 17:40:53 GMT
That is such a naive and ignorant reply. There are situations where it is perfectly acceptable to walk around half naked, on the street is not one of them. Unless you and others start to recognise that this problem derives from both sexes, we will never see change. I don’t set out in the morning to look at half naked women, but it seems there are women who set out each morning to make sure I do. I suppose they get a buzz out of it? I don’t know, but it’s bloody weird. Where does it say that it is not permissible to walk around half naked on the street? Common decency? Common sense? Respect for others? That’s where we are isn’t it, as a woman, you are asking for respect, yet you have no thought on showing me any.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 13, 2021 18:06:02 GMT
That is such a naive and ignorant reply. There are situations where it is perfectly acceptable to walk around half naked, on the street is not one of them. Unless you and others start to recognise that this problem derives from both sexes, we will never see change. I don’t set out in the morning to look at half naked women, but it seems there are women who set out each morning to make sure I do. I suppose they get a buzz out of it? I don’t know, but it’s bloody weird. Looking at half naked women is not the problem, as you say if the dress like that then they will know they will be looked at, much in the same was as a woman who is fully clothed will and the woman dressed as a Tellytubby will be looked at. But here’s the thing; how a woman (or any other person of whatever gender) dresses does NOT signal permission for anyone to comment on their appearance, certainly not in a rude and demeaning way and certainly does not signal permission for anyone to touch them in any way. Where does it say that it is not permissible to walk around half naked on the street? You are taking an extreme view, just as Bedruthen is taking an extreme opposite view.
You can dress smartly, you can dress in a way that accentuates your looks, your demeanor and behaviour will attract attention.
You need to accept that this to a large extent is biology, it is how humans attract and find mates. . Both sexes use dress and behaviour to attract mates. There is no changing that, it's too deep in the human psyche.
What is lacking on both sides is an understanding of their behaviour and a lack of individual adherance to what is acceptable and what is not and where and when that changes.
Nobody should be exposed to intimidation and nobody not "displaying" and minding their own business should receive unwelcome attention.
Get your "display" wrong and the attention you attract may not be that you wish .... but mistakes should not be terminal, only embarrassing
Nobody should be exposed to violence but educating the majority will never rid the world of the minority, strong law enforcement is probably the only way and even that will never be 100%.
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Post by dyertribe on Mar 13, 2021 18:11:05 GMT
Where does it say that it is not permissible to walk around half naked on the street? Common decency? Common sense? Respect for others? That’s where we are isn’t it, as a woman, you are asking for respect, yet you have no thought on showing me any. Respect for others? Now we’re talking! Is it respectful, common decency, or common sense to cat call young women walking to work, dressed for the office and covered in a coat scarf and gloves, one you have never seen before? Using language that would not be allowed on prime time television? Making suggestions that belong in a porno film? Happens at least once a week to my daughter. Do these low life think it will entice her into having sex with them? Or is it that they have such low self esteem (poor darlings, their mummies made fun of them) that they boost their egos by embarrassing and intimidation others. This attitude is millimetres away from those cultures who insist that women are covered from head to to lest they inflame a man. Men, control yourselves, we women have to control ourselves as otherwise a good proportion of the population would be carrying their testicles in a plastic bag.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 18:14:20 GMT
That is such a naive and ignorant reply. There are situations where it is perfectly acceptable to walk around half naked, on the street is not one of them. Unless you and others start to recognise that this problem derives from both sexes, we will never see change. I don’t set out in the morning to look at half naked women, but it seems there are women who set out each morning to make sure I do. I suppose they get a buzz out of it? I don’t know, but it’s bloody weird. But here’s the thing; how a woman (or any other person of whatever gender) dresses does NOT signal permission for anyone to comment on their appearance, certainly not in a rude and demeaning way and certainly does not signal permission for anyone to touch them in any way. I don’t disagree with you on that, but human nature is what it is, (Adam and eve etc). Women have slated men for hundreds of years on their behaviour, and yet even armed with this knowledge, still persist in pouring fat onto the fire. Anyway, in my view, Jenny Jones etc should look in depth at all the issues that have brought us to the situation we now have, before making cheap stupid sarcastic remarks that will serve only to create division. As I’ve previously said, I think the lack of visible law and order on the streets is a major factor in this, and that’s directly down to people like her who’ve persistently decimated the police force and legal system in the uk.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 13, 2021 18:15:04 GMT
Of course men are to blame, if they attack women that dress like slags. There again, if I were a woman, and a slag, and came to the conclusion that dressing the way I did brought unwanted attention onto myself I'd stop dressing like a slag. It's common sense, no more than that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 18:18:41 GMT
Common decency? Common sense? Respect for others? That’s where we are isn’t it, as a woman, you are asking for respect, yet you have no thought on showing me any. Respect for others? Now we’re talking! Is it respectful, common decency, or common sense to cat call young women walking to work, dressed for the office and covered in a coat scarf and gloves. Some women appreciate it, and some don’t. I’ve never done such a thing myself, dunno why that is, I’ve never thought about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 18:25:07 GMT
Common decency? Common sense? Respect for others? That’s where we are isn’t it, as a woman, you are asking for respect, yet you have no thought on showing me any. Respect for others? Now we’re talking! Is it respectful, common decency, or common sense to cat call young women walking to work, dressed for the office and covered in a coat scarf and gloves, one you have never seen before? Using language that would not be allowed on prime time television? Making suggestions that belong in a porno film? Happens at least once a week to my daughter. I’ve never seen or witnessed anything like that, even after living in London for 15 years plus. Seen it on plenty of films. Of course them using language and porno films is unacceptable, but again, I’ve never witnessed such behaviour. Why don’t you report it to the police if it’s a regular issue?
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Post by JohnV on Mar 13, 2021 18:25:30 GMT
Common decency? Common sense? Respect for others? That’s where we are isn’t it, as a woman, you are asking for respect, yet you have no thought on showing me any. Is it respectful, common decency, or common sense to cat call young women walking to work, dressed for the office and covered in a coat scarf and gloves, one you have never seen before? No !!! ..... Though an ex girlfriend of mine always said she quite enjoyed getting the odd wolf whistle when going past a building site and always used to put on a bit more "sway" ...... so lets not be too extreme
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Post by quaysider on Mar 13, 2021 18:25:37 GMT
There is another side to this commenting on people's appearances - in all innocence, I quite often pay a woman (or a man ) a compliment... politely and respectfully in a non-threatening or offensive way.
It's a nice thing to do whether solicited or not....I'd never go as far as saying anything sexual or demeaning but I'm yet to receive any unwelcome feedback from it... saying to some one - perhaps a waiter/waitress who looks bloody worn out and doing an often thankless task for peanuts, that they've lovely hair, smell nice have nice eyes - anything kind and positive is surely acceptable.
Men are simple creatures and whilst some may at first be taken a back when another bloke tells them they look in great shape or smell nice... within 5 seconds or so, their ego inflates and they take the compliment.
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Post by dyertribe on Mar 13, 2021 18:28:55 GMT
Respect for others? Now we’re talking! Is it respectful, common decency, or common sense to cat call young women walking to work, dressed for the office and covered in a coat scarf and gloves. Some women appreciate it, and some don’t. I’ve never done such a thing myself, dunno why that is, I’ve never thought about it. When you really think about it it is a strange thing to do, isn’t it? I don’t know any woman who appreciates it but I’m prepared to be proved wrong. I do know of an ex member of CWDF (female) who was subjected to lewd comments when passing a building site. She had to pass the same site the following day and returned the complement whilst keeping eye contact with, and walking towards the object of her cat calls. Apparently the frightened look and defensive demeanour was a sight to behold!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 18:30:13 GMT
Common decency? Common sense? Respect for others? That’s where we are isn’t it, as a woman, you are asking for respect, yet you have no thought on showing me any. This attitude is millimetres away from those cultures who insist that women are covered from head to to lest they inflame a man. Men, control yourselves, we women have to control ourselves as otherwise a good proportion of the population would be carrying their testicles in a plastic bag. I don’t know if you’re being serious with that or just getting a tad extreme, whichever, it’s a bit over the top.
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Post by dyertribe on Mar 13, 2021 18:32:58 GMT
Respect for others? Now we’re talking! Is it respectful, common decency, or common sense to cat call young women walking to work, dressed for the office and covered in a coat scarf and gloves, one you have never seen before? Using language that would not be allowed on prime time television? Making suggestions that belong in a porno film? Happens at least once a week to my daughter. I’ve never seen or witnessed anything like that, even after living in London for 15 years plus. Seen it on plenty of films. Of course your reference to them using language and porno films is unacceptable, but again, I’ve never witnessed such behaviour. Why don’t you report it to the police if it’s a regular issue? It’s not me it’s my daughter, it’s not the same person or the same place, it’s also in the park, outside a bar, everywhere. You haven’t seen it cos you’re a bloke, they don’t do it in the presence of others who might call them out on it.
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Post by dyertribe on Mar 13, 2021 18:34:29 GMT
Of course men are to blame, if they attack women that dress like slags. There again, if I were a woman, and a slag, and came to the conclusion that dressing the way I did brought unwanted attention onto myself I'd stop dressing like a slag. It's common sense, no more than that. Fair enough, it is common sense but it’s still not right.
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Post by dyertribe on Mar 13, 2021 18:40:37 GMT
This attitude is millimetres away from those cultures who insist that women are covered from head to to lest they inflame a man. Men, control yourselves, we women have to control ourselves as otherwise a good proportion of the population would be carrying their testicles in a plastic bag. I don’t know if you’re being serious with that or just getting a tad extreme, whichever, it’s a bit over the top. I was being a tad extreme but the urge to bitch slap a Neanderthal man in full letch mode is hard to resist
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