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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 18:56:16 GMT
I’ve never seen or witnessed anything like that, even after living in London for 15 years plus. Seen it on plenty of films. Of course your reference to them using language and porno films is unacceptable, but again, I’ve never witnessed such behaviour. Why don’t you report it to the police if it’s a regular issue? You haven’t seen it cos you’re a bloke Or I don’t live in Wales.... and perhaps Wales has issues that we more sophisticated southerners got rid of years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 18:59:10 GMT
I don’t know if you’re being serious with that or just getting a tad extreme, whichever, it’s a bit over the top. the urge to bitch slap a Neanderthal man in full letch mode is hard to resist I hope that is not a reference to myself. (I never know with you).
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Post by ianali on Mar 13, 2021 19:06:29 GMT
I’ve never seen or witnessed anything like that, even after living in London for 15 years plus. Seen it on plenty of films. Of course your reference to them using language and porno films is unacceptable, but again, I’ve never witnessed such behaviour. Why don’t you report it to the police if it’s a regular issue? It’s not me it’s my daughter, it’s not the same person or the same place, it’s also in the park, outside a bar, everywhere. You haven’t seen it cos you’re a bloke, they don’t do it in the presence of others who might call them out on it. Chats over the years with daughter and friends confirms what you say. Happily I know my daughter won’t be bullied into hiding herself away. As she often tells me, fuck the sad idiots. Majority of men are lovely but there are enough bad ins to make life hell for some women. Can’t understand why any decent bloke would argue against this. Some shocking attitudes being shown on this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 19:11:21 GMT
It’s not me it’s my daughter, it’s not the same person or the same place, it’s also in the park, outside a bar, everywhere. You haven’t seen it cos you’re a bloke, they don’t do it in the presence of others who might call them out on it. Can’t understand why any decent bloke would argue against this. Some shocking attitudes being shown on this thread. I think you’d better point to the post that does argue its ok, cos I can’t see it.
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Post by bodger on Mar 13, 2021 19:25:06 GMT
Is it respectful, common decency, or common sense to cat call young women walking to work, dressed for the office and covered in a coat scarf and gloves, one you have never seen before? No !!! ..... Though an ex girlfriend of mine always said she quite enjoyed getting the odd wolf whistle when going past a building site and always used to put on a bit more "sway" ...... so lets not be too extreme
When I was of an age to be interested in such matters in the 60s and 70s my observation was that most girls were flattered by a wolf whistle from a builder up on a scaffolding, and depending on their sense of humour would smile and possibly reply with a V sign.
Oh, the days of innocence when all we wanted was to have a good time with a few laughs thrown in and nobody taking offence. All this PC bollox has made us too introspective and lacking a sense of perspective.
I sometimes wonder if it is the less attractive girls who condemn typical boyish male behaviour because it is not directed at them.
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Post by ianali on Mar 13, 2021 19:25:27 GMT
Can’t understand why any decent bloke would argue against this. Some shocking attitudes being shown on this thread. I think you’d better point to the post that does argue its ok, cos I can’t see it. I didn’t say any post here did. I did say there are some shocking attitudes on this thread though. You and Ricco for instance.
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Post by ianali on Mar 13, 2021 19:29:29 GMT
No !!! ..... Though an ex girlfriend of mine always said she quite enjoyed getting the odd wolf whistle when going past a building site and always used to put on a bit more "sway" ...... so lets not be too extreme
When I was of an age to be interested in such matters in the 60s and 70s my observation was that most girls were flattered by a wolf whistle from a builder up on a scaffolding, and depending on their sense of humour would smile and possibly reply with a V sign.
Oh, the days of innocence when all we wanted was to have a good time with a few laughs thrown in and nobody taking offence. All this PC bollox has made us too introspective and lacking a sense of perspective.
I sometimes wonder if it is the less attractive girls who condemn typical boyish male behaviour because it is not directed at them.
You can’t really believe what you have just posted?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 19:40:56 GMT
I think you’d better point to the post that does argue its ok, cos I can’t see it. I didn’t say any post here did. I did say there are some shocking attitudes on this thread though. You and Ricco for instance. Nothing wrong with me expressing my views, and come to that, my posts on the subject have been quite civil and conservative. Play the ball, not the man, otherwise just F off.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 13, 2021 19:52:46 GMT
His reaction was a bit strong, especially the choice of words (and not remotely related to this particular case), but ultimately there is a point to what he says. Why do women walk the streets half naked? For example, skirt just millimetres below the ass, breasts virtually in danger of exposure, and thin fabric tops displaying nipples like bullets. I’ve just asked my better half, and she suggests if you’re putting it on offer, don’t be surprised by the attention you get. And here we have it; why should women cover up? Why can’t men control themselves? Why do these, often ugly, overweight, badly dressed, poorly educated and supremely bigoted men thing that any women would fancy them? Dressing scantily is a fashion choice, not “putting it on offer”. It may not be the fashion choice of all women but we should all defend their right to dress as they like without harassment from anyone. Once again in theory you view is meritorious. In practice it is dangerous. It is well known that some men see a drunk girl with her skirt under her armpits, as fair game. No doubt they shouldn’t, but the FACT is that they do. Failure to acknowledge this fact of life is to condemn more women to rape and assault. Are those principles worth it? I talk from related practical experience - Jeff and I SHOULD be able to walk down the street holding hands. But in some (many) places that is asking for trouble. So we don’t ask for trouble, we simply don’t hold hands. Yes our Human Rights are destitute, but the more important point is that we don’t get attacked. Women have a choice, they can dress up to maximise their sexual allure and get attacked, or dress more modestly and be less likely to be attacked. One can argue that it should not be like that, but it is.
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Post by ianali on Mar 13, 2021 19:58:57 GMT
I didn’t say any post here did. I did say there are some shocking attitudes on this thread though. You and Ricco for instance. Nothing wrong with me expressing my views, and come to that, my posts on the subject have been quite civil and conservative. Play the ball, not the man, otherwise just F off. Your a charmer.
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Post by dyertribe on Mar 13, 2021 20:14:19 GMT
You haven’t seen it cos you’re a bloke Or I don’t live in Wales.... and perhaps Wales has issues that we more sophisticated southerners got rid of years ago. Pay attention, this is in London!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 20:23:25 GMT
Or I don’t live in Wales.... and perhaps Wales has issues that we more sophisticated southerners got rid of years ago. Pay attention, this is in London! Ok. Well I’ve never witnessed such behaviour in London, and given your explicit statements, I feel I should have come across it at some point. Both my partner and daughter have worked in London, neither have had issues as you describe. That sounds like I am trying to undermine your post, sorry, that’s not my intention. I’m just giving my experience.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 20:25:10 GMT
Nothing wrong with me expressing my views, and come to that, my posts on the subject have been quite civil and conservative. Play the ball, not the man, otherwise just F off. Your a charmer. Not really, I just get a bit pissed off when people don’t wipe their feet before coming in.
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Post by dyertribe on Mar 13, 2021 20:25:13 GMT
And here we have it; why should women cover up? Why can’t men control themselves? Why do these, often ugly, overweight, badly dressed, poorly educated and supremely bigoted men thing that any women would fancy them? Dressing scantily is a fashion choice, not “putting it on offer”. It may not be the fashion choice of all women but we should all defend their right to dress as they like without harassment from anyone. Once again in theory you view is meritorious. In practice it is dangerous. It is well known that some men see a drunk girl with her skirt under her armpits, as fair game. No doubt they shouldn’t, but the FACT is that they do. Failure to acknowledge this fact of life is to condemn more women to rape and assault. Are those principles worth it? I talk from related practical experience - Jeff and I SHOULD be able to walk down the street holding hands. But in some (many) places that is asking for trouble. So we don’t ask for trouble, we simply don’t hold hands. Yes our Human Rights are destitute, but the more important point is that we don’t get attacked. Women have a choice, they can dress up to maximise their sexual allure and get attacked, or dress more modestly and be less likely to be attacked. One can argue that it should not be like that, but it is. Sad isn’t it? I agree with you and behave similarly as does my daughter who is more feisty than I. The murder of Sarah has hit nearer home as Sarah was a friend of one of my daughter’s colleagues, and they had been talking about he disappearance before it became news. She has admitted that it will change her behaviour when she returns to London next week, she is unhappy that she has to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 20:28:49 GMT
Once again in theory you view is meritorious. In practice it is dangerous. It is well known that some men see a drunk girl with her skirt under her armpits, as fair game. No doubt they shouldn’t, but the FACT is that they do. Failure to acknowledge this fact of life is to condemn more women to rape and assault. Are those principles worth it? I talk from related practical experience - Jeff and I SHOULD be able to walk down the street holding hands. But in some (many) places that is asking for trouble. So we don’t ask for trouble, we simply don’t hold hands. Yes our Human Rights are destitute, but the more important point is that we don’t get attacked. Women have a choice, they can dress up to maximise their sexual allure and get attacked, or dress more modestly and be less likely to be attacked. One can argue that it should not be like that, but it is. The murder of Sarah has hit nearer home as Sarah was a friend of one of my daughter’s colleagues, and they had been talking about he disappearance before it became news. It’s very sad, and has touched a lot of people.
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