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Post by macwolfelee on Apr 13, 2016 10:34:39 GMT
All the old documentation was there it was plain to see that they wanted a united europe that had on central government from the beginning. It also showed the lies and the deals done by Heath to get it threw Wilson wanted them to vote against it then changed how strange is that. For me a common market is good the rest should be consigned to failed experiments bin quicker the better. Of course greeces loan comes up soon as well they need us in to pay for that Well if the original intention was to have complete integration, then they should have had the courage of their convictions (and mine) and got on with it to form a United States of Europe instead of the half-baked mess we have now. Less than total unification will never be satisfactory.
The same applies to the UK - I voted against devolution for Scotland back in the day, but it went ahead and look what happened - the bloody SNP want to tear the country apart. Ironically, they want to be part of the EU, which is inconsistent to say the least.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 13, 2016 10:48:27 GMT
Reading all this makes me realise how quickly things can change. It's only a few years since the last Labour government was in power. During these years anyone who doubted the European Union, and had the temerity to speak about it, was held to be a vile racist.
Whatever the result of the referendum I think we should celebrate the fact that these dark days are over. Whilst freedom of speech is still limited to some extent the path appears to lead to more freedoms rather than less. Gone are the days when crimes are ignored because investigating them may lead to upsetting a group of people. Gone are the days, hopefully, when our prime minister can get away with insulting members of the public because they hold a perfectly valid view.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 10:51:26 GMT
All the old documentation was there it was plain to see that they wanted a united europe that had on central government from the beginning. It also showed the lies and the deals done by Heath to get it threw Wilson wanted them to vote against it then changed how strange is that. For me a common market is good the rest should be consigned to failed experiments bin quicker the better. Of course greeces loan comes up soon as well they need us in to pay for that Well if the original intention was to have complete integration, then they should have had the courage of their convictions (and mine) and got on with it to form a United States of Europe instead of the half-baked mess we have now. Less than total unification will never be satisfactory.
The same applies to the UK - I voted against devolution for Scotland back in the day, but it went ahead and look what happened - the bloody SNP want to tear the country apart. Ironically, they want to be part of the EU, which is inconsistent to say the least.
Your all over the place over Europe I fear.What do you mean by total Unification? Currency as well? You say its a half baked mess yet want to remain in clinging to the foolish belief we can change it by being a part of it. Do you know that Britain has never won a vote in Europe,not one single vote,EVER. It was a hoodwinking exercise by Heath and co and thats the problem and even if we do vote to stay I think that it will not be by a sufficient margin to make the BREXIT ISSUE go away.A climate of fear is being created and people are falling for it. As for the SNP in Scotland, it was Labour treating the electorate with contempt that caused the situation we are now in and to be honest once you get past the Flag Waving you have to ask where is the Economic Case for separation? There is none and that is why it was rejected.
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Post by Albion on Apr 13, 2016 11:02:27 GMT
What is really interesting about this thread, apart from the topic itself of course, is that deeply held views are being expressed openly without descending into the rancour that used to occur in the CA forum on CWDF. That to me indicates that it was the certain type of contributor over there (not apparently members here) who, by their linguistically clever tactics and obscured but obvious insults, dragged the threads down into personal abuse. Roger
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 11:19:32 GMT
What is really interesting about this thread, apart from the topic itself of course, is that deeply held views are being expressed openly without descending into the rancour that used to occur in the CA forum on CWDF. That to me indicates that it was the certain type of contributor over there (not apparently members here) who, by their linguistically clever tactics and obscured but obvious insults, dragged the threads down into personal abuse. Roger Very true. As I said over there, they were the ones a bit like the small kid in the playground who winds up 2 bigger boys, then tells everyone else how silly they are for fighting eachother. I'm glad they aren't on here...at the moment.
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Post by boatman on Apr 13, 2016 11:33:03 GMT
Some of them are, they registered on the 4th and have not posted but I know they are having a look but as guests.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 12:17:57 GMT
Some of them are, they registered on the 4th and have not posted but I know they are having a look but as guests. Any glance you care to take across the way,I don't think you will find any topics being debated like you do here and as far as the virtual pub is concerned,who has ever drunk in a pub like that?
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Post by JohnV on Apr 13, 2016 12:49:05 GMT
The only VP subject "over there" that I usually get involved with is THE unSTABLE BAR ......but that's just because I feel at home with the lunatic and chaotic humour.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 13, 2016 12:53:09 GMT
Yes John same for me I feel right at home there. I havent bothered with it at the moment because strange things keep on happening with my posts, shall we start one here meybe that will tempt Phil and the rest. They will be here the loud laughing and want to come over to the bright side!!
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Post by JohnV on Apr 13, 2016 12:59:44 GMT
some food for thought
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 13, 2016 13:28:34 GMT
Less than total unification will never be satisfactory. I think we've done this one before, haven't we?
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 13, 2016 13:35:18 GMT
Is there any country in 'The European Union' that has a history of honesty? Or do they all have dubious pasts?
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Post by yamyam on Apr 13, 2016 14:24:58 GMT
Is there any country in 'The European Union' that has a history of honesty? Or do they all have dubious pasts? Not sure If there's a country In the world without a dubious past.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 13, 2016 15:45:10 GMT
I agree its the sins of our fathers I dont like, people try to punish us for the past, and I just cant see the logic of it
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 13, 2016 16:29:42 GMT
That's made me think of walking round graveyards. Consider all those people who have been laying down there for, let's say, 100 years. They lived in a very different world. What would they think if they could 'wake up' and have a wander round this world in this year 2016? What would the old bargees of the 1800s think of England's canals these days?
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