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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 20:41:33 GMT
I'm voting out. I think we need to rebuild the industry in this country, and I would like the opportunity to once again buy British products, instead of this Chinese junk that breaks the day before the warranty runs out. I'd like to see kids offered proper jobs with proper apprenticeship's. I also wish to see our somewhat cranky at times culture survive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 20:45:26 GMT
Good to hear that.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 23, 2016 23:40:21 GMT
I am voting out as well Obabahma really did it for me should keep his nose out especially as its likely to be Trump in!!
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Post by Higgs on Apr 24, 2016 8:40:58 GMT
Well, now, there's a thought. I have been out of Britain for almost 26 years. Am I allowed to vote 'OUT' ? If yes, is that fair? If no, is that fair? I did work and pay taxes for roughly 13 years in England. I have paid VAT on all kinds of stuff and 'services' in Britain. I have visited Britain many times in the past 26 years and brought my money into the country. We are living on our boat 3 months of the year, paying for a CRT licence, insurance, River-Canal-Rescue, boat parking place, etc. This boating is an enormous drain on my wages, every morning when I get out of bed at 5am to do my duty it's with the knowledge that a lot of today's wages are being poured into Britain. "I pay but have no say" ?!
I'm not sure it counts, that you spend alot of money here. After all, no country would turn away people who wish to spend money. I think some of those who are voting out just wish to be Brits who'd rather make their own mistakes, and have a direct voting route to the politicians that spend their taxes and create rules.
Businesses hide behind so many legal layers that even the government have to use the same financial advisers to work their way through the layers. There's so many layers of bureaucracy, also, corruption is not that easy to spot. Whatever the reason for all of those layers, things need to be simplified and the EU only makes for more bureaucracy.
All in all, it appears to me that power is further and further away from the people it affects. It's more in the hands of accountants and lawyers.
The EU Commission want the UK to be removed from the security council of the UN and replaced by an EU rep.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 8:49:14 GMT
Well, now, there's a thought. I have been out of Britain for almost 26 years. Am I allowed to vote 'OUT' ? If yes, is that fair? If no, is that fair? I did work and pay taxes for roughly 13 years in England. I have paid VAT on all kinds of stuff and 'services' in Britain. I have visited Britain many times in the past 26 years and brought my money into the country. We are living on our boat 3 months of the year, paying for a CRT licence, insurance, River-Canal-Rescue, boat parking place, etc. This boating is an enormous drain on my wages, every morning when I get out of bed at 5am to do my duty it's with the knowledge that a lot of today's wages are being poured into Britain. "I pay but have no say" ?! Of course you have no say,I don't know if you have put the above up just for debating purposes?
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Post by macwolfelee on Apr 24, 2016 9:53:19 GMT
Come on you have to be fair,Churchill could never have envisaged the position in Europe as it is today. All the in camp have done is embark on Project Fear,I have spoken to many who intend to vote in and it is all based on fear. Well I'm glad that you've spoken to many who intend to vote in! On this forum I seem to be in a minority of one. But you are wrong about fear. It should be obvious that my opinions are based on principle, not fear. I'm too old to be afraid of what happens to Britain, in or out. And both my sons will be working for international companies.
While we're about it, the anti-Americanism popping up among the out camp isn't going to do us much good if they get their way, is it?
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Post by JohnV on Apr 24, 2016 10:01:30 GMT
The one thing that proponents for both views seem unwilling to face is that the future is uncertain whatever the result.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 10:07:02 GMT
Come on you have to be fair,Churchill could never have envisaged the position in Europe as it is today. All the in camp have done is embark on Project Fear,I have spoken to many who intend to vote in and it is all based on fear. Well I'm glad that you've spoken to many who intend to vote in! On this forum I seem to be in a minority of one. But you are wrong about fear. It should be obvious that my opinions are based on principle, not fear. I'm too old to be afraid of what happens to Britain, in or out. And both my sons will be working for international companies.
While we're about it, the anti-Americanism popping up among the out camp isn't going to do us much good if they get their way, is it?
What a load of waffle you talk sir, you are already on record in your earlier posts about your greatest fear of an OUT vote being your perceived fear of negative impact on the rest of Europe.Indeed one other poster challenged you about why you were more concerned about Europe than your own country.Your opinions are based on" Principle not Fear " do you read what you post?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 10:08:48 GMT
The one thing that proponents for both views seem unwilling to face is that the future is uncertain whatever the result. Fair Comment John,what about this joker above? Macwolfelee,what a comedian
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 10:14:24 GMT
Come on you have to be fair,Churchill could never have envisaged the position in Europe as it is today. All the in camp have done is embark on Project Fear,I have spoken to many who intend to vote in and it is all based on fear. Well I'm glad that you've spoken to many who intend to vote in! On this forum I seem to be in a minority of one. But you are wrong about fear. It should be obvious that my opinions are based on principle, not fear. I'm too old to be afraid of what happens to Britain, in or out. And both my sons will be working for international companies.
While we're about it, the anti-Americanism popping up among the out camp isn't going to do us much good if they get their way, is it?
I don't think its anti Americanism I think its anti obamainterferenceism.I made some other points which I surmise you have noticed about the fact that Obama won't be in power so how can he determine what American Policy will be? and also the fact that America wouldn't accept the same conditions membership of the EU places on us if they were joining. Glad your sons have got fixed up at Starbucks,pass on my best wishes.
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Post by Higgs on Apr 24, 2016 10:46:06 GMT
I'm not against the president of the United States expressing his opinion, it's the platform he used to do it on that is objectionable. The situation we're in is like a couple having a disagreement. Don't interfere, you're quite likely to find your interference is not appreciated. And don't be surprised if you become the target of both. People from both sides of the EU debate have given him flack.
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Post by Delta9 on Apr 24, 2016 11:11:01 GMT
Come on you have to be fair,Churchill could never have envisaged the position in Europe as it is today. All the in camp have done is embark on Project Fear,I have spoken to many who intend to vote in and it is all based on fear. Well I'm glad that you've spoken to many who intend to vote in! On this forum I seem to be in a minority of one. But you are wrong about fear. It should be obvious that my opinions are based on principle, not fear. I'm too old to be afraid of what happens to Britain, in or out. And both my sons will be working for international companies.
While we're about it, the anti-Americanism popping up among the out camp isn't going to do us much good if they get their way, is it?
I'll be voting in too. Freedom of movement is the most important aspect for me. I've spent more of my life living and working in other countries than I have in the UK, so I think it would be pretty hypocritical of me to vote in a manner that prevents the citizens of those countries enjoying the same freedoms.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 11:19:05 GMT
Well I'm glad that you've spoken to many who intend to vote in! On this forum I seem to be in a minority of one. But you are wrong about fear. It should be obvious that my opinions are based on principle, not fear. I'm too old to be afraid of what happens to Britain, in or out. And both my sons will be working for international companies.
While we're about it, the anti-Americanism popping up among the out camp isn't going to do us much good if they get their way, is it?
I'll be voting in too. Freedom of movement is the most important aspect for me. I've spent more of my life living and working in other countries than I have in the UK, so I think it would be pretty hypocritical of me to vote in a manner that prevents the citizens of those countries enjoying the same freedoms. How can this country continue to absorb a city the size of Newcastle every year ?
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Post by peterboat on Apr 24, 2016 11:28:55 GMT
It cant we are at bursting point already our old folk will suffer if we dont put a stop to it soon, we are a small island with limited resources
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Post by ammodels on Apr 24, 2016 11:30:47 GMT
I'll be voting in too. Freedom of movement is the most important aspect for me. I've spent more of my life living and working in other countries than I have in the UK, so I think it would be pretty hypocritical of me to vote in a manner that prevents the citizens of those countries enjoying the same freedoms. How can this country continue to absorb a city the size of Newcastle every year ? Quite simply it cant, but at the same time I dont trust our politicians to do the right thing if we vote out, especially as BoJo would be in a position of power in any Brexit govt.
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