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Post by Telemachus on Jun 19, 2021 21:15:01 GMT
So in light of the wilful ignoring of my sage advice(!) I have now put Tony on ignore, which is a shame as if there ever are any interesting developments, I and I suspect most people on this forum, won't know about it.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jun 19, 2021 21:35:37 GMT
So in light of the wilful ignoring of my sage advice(!) I have now put Tony on ignore, which is a shame as if there ever are any interesting developments, I and I suspect most people on this forum, won't know about it. I hope that the TB Goon Squad will now follow Nick's lead. Whilst his contributions, and those from a handful of others, are always thoughtful, constructive and welcome, the same cannot be said of the garbage that the TBGS clutters things up with. Perhaps without the irrelevant nonsense to distract C&RT and its shyster lawyers from what I'm posting about them, they will be better able to focus their thoughts, and actions, on the predicament they've got themselves into.
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Post by kris on Jun 19, 2021 22:07:33 GMT
Or maybe not?
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Post by thebfg on Jun 20, 2021 1:03:52 GMT
So in light of the wilful ignoring of my sage advice(!) I have now put Tony on ignore, which is a shame as if there ever are any interesting developments, I and I suspect most people on this forum, won't know about it. I had already said the same thing. I think most of us just want to wait till the action starts. I don't think we will learn anything new until then.
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Post by erivers on Jun 21, 2021 7:14:59 GMT
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Post by JohnV on Jun 21, 2021 7:27:04 GMT
I have to agree with a certain Mr Hutson's superb comment ... "Well colour me surprised and put me outside for the ants, whodathunkit"
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Post by erivers on Jun 21, 2021 8:42:03 GMT
Let's get this right. CRT (allegedly) falsify their data but the Government/NHS/SAGE don't? If you genuinely want to "get this right" then you must omit the word "allegedly". CRT has admitted altering data.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jun 22, 2021 11:35:36 GMT
Hmmmm, I think you said that before. You're right Nick ..... but that doesn't alter the basic facts from that case.
I said way way back near the start that the owner of Planet deserved action being taken against him ...... but CRT should have acted within the law and in proportion to the offences. My beef has always been in that case that acting as they did, incorrectly and in what could only be described as a vindictive manner was at very large financial cost to the trust. Acting in the correct fashion via the court would have not.
It is quite possible that the owner would still have lost his boat but it would have been done legally through the court and then there would not have been the large bill that we are all having to foot either via our licence fees or our taxes
Initially the C&RT's threatened action with regard to recovering a years worth of arrears of Berth Charges in Canning Dock, Liverpool, and giving Alan Roberts notice to get the Lightship out of its precious 'waterspace' in the Old South Docks, was all above board and what was put in writing to the ship's owner was perfectly in order. It was during the Summer months of 2016 that, not content with merely turfing the ship and its owner out of the C&RT controlled Docks and recovering the berth charges arrears, C&RT embarked on what its senior staff and its Solicitors knew to be a wholly dishonest and illegal scam that would far exceed any of the penalties that the Courts have the powers to impose on what amounted to a minor debtor who had been given notice to quit. Despite the lengths to which Nigel Moore and I went to expose the truth about what the C&RT was doing, it appears that the lies, the cover stories, and the actions by which C&RT disguised and hid its wrongdoings have yet to be fully understood. C&RT's intention, from sometime around the Spring of 2016, was to dispossess Alan Roberts of his ship and his livelihood and then to finish the job off by selling the ship and pocketing as much of the proceeds as possible against a so-called "Schedule of Costs" that the C&RT had incurred entirely by its own voluntary and utterly illegal actions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 15:50:56 GMT
Personally I'd have been concerned about buying a ship that lacked its own propulsion.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 22, 2021 15:56:28 GMT
Personally I'd have been concerned about buying a ship that lacked its own propulsion. Not if you wanted to moor it somewhere and use as accommodation - “house boat”
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 16:03:10 GMT
Personally I'd have been concerned about buying a ship that lacked its own propulsion. Not if you wanted to moor it somewhere and use as accommodation - “house boat” Sure, there's one (a light ship) on the Medway which somebody lives on AFAIK. But come the day you want to get out of Dodge...and there's always the question of 'where to' with a boat that size.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jun 22, 2021 16:28:23 GMT
Personally I'd have been concerned about buying a ship that lacked its own propulsion. Not if you wanted to moor it somewhere and use as accommodation - “house boat” The Beachams, S and P, proprietors of Sharpness Shipyard and Drydock in Gloucestershire, where ex-Liverpool Bar Lightvessel "Planet" still lays illegally impounded in the commercial Dock at at cost of now upwards of £1000.00 per month, have recently been approached by two potential buyers of the ship. Both potential buyers interest in the ship came to a reluctant end when Sharpness Shipyard was unwilling and/or unable to produce any sale or proof of ownership documentation in respect of "Planet" or its supposed present owner or owners. Speaks volumes about the C&RT fairy story about having sold "Planet" to the shipyard proprietor in early Spring of 2017, . . does it not. There never was any lawful bona fide 'sale' of the ship to the shipyard proprietors, or anyone else. The ship could NOT be lawfully sold by anyone other than the true owner, Alan Roberts. Only the true owner of goods, property, or anything else can legitimately 'sell' an item or items, . . and in the case of the Liverpool Lightship the man that the senior management of the Canal & River Trust stole it from on 19 September 2016. Handling - ie. 'selling' - stolen goods is criminal offence, and although C&RT's specialist boat thieving staff are pretty stupid, . . I don't think they would be quite stupid enough to provide Sharpness Shipyard with any form of documentation recording that C&RT had accepted payment in return for a vessel that the Trust knew, and still knows, that it had no right to sell or otherwise dispose of.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jun 23, 2021 15:57:48 GMT
Since making the previous post yesterday evening, I've looked out the copies of some extensive and prolonged correspondence, which went on from January 2017 to December of the same year, that Alan Roberts was sent by a prospective buyer of "Planet" who eventually declined to proceed with buying the ship having sought legal advice as to the various involved parties rights, or otherwise, to be offering the ship for sale.
The copies of the correspondence and the legal advice consisted mainly of e-mailed communications between Commercial Boat Services [CBS], Steve Beacham of Sharpness Shipyard, and the prospective buyer of the ship, who went to the trouble and expense of obtaining legal advice though a Solicitor in the shape of Counsel's opinion, and was then decent and generous enough to make the advice, including Counsel's opinion, available to Alan Roberts, the ship's true and rightful owner, CBS, Steve Beacham, and the Canal & River Trust [C&RT]. In order that C&RT, and CBS, and Beacham, are fully aware of what will shortly be coming their way -- yet again, but this time via competent and capable lawyers, as opposed to the useless incompetent ones who were paid by Alan Roberts to act for him in 2017 and 2018 -- the apposite parts of the correspondence with the 2017 prospective buyer of "Planet" will be published in the pages of Thunderboat, and elsewhere, and will include the Counsel's opinion obtained by the 2017 prospective buyer, as well as the C&RT letter that makes it clear that its own so-called lawyers were then, as they apparently still are, unable or simply too dishonest to differentiate between selling something as its true rightful 'owner', as opposed to selling something under a lawfully acquired "right to sell" as an 'involuntary bailee'.
I'm putting this stuff on this thread for the moment. It really should go on the "Bar Lightship impounded by CRT" thread as well, but I'm not going to put anything else on there unless and until the latest recruit to the TB Goon Squad changes the title back to the original, . . and undertakes not to indulge in any more infantile pissing about with it again.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 23, 2021 16:01:13 GMT
Since making the previous post yesterday evening, I've looked out the copies of some extensive and prolonged correspondence, which went on from January 2017 to December of the same year, that Alan Roberts was sent by a prospective buyer of "Planet" who eventually declined to proceed with buying the ship having sought legal advice as to the various involved parties rights, or otherwise, to be offering the ship for sale. The copies of the correspondence and the legal advice consisted mainly of e-mailed communications between Commercial Boat Services [CBS], Steve Beacham of Sharpness Shipyard, and the prospective buyer of the ship, who went to the trouble and expense of obtaining legal advice though a Solicitor in the shape of Counsel's opinion, and was then decent and generous enough to make the advice, including Counsel's opinion, available to Alan Roberts, the ship's true and rightful owner, CBS, Steve Beacham, and the Canal & River Trust [C&RT]. In order that C&RT, and CBS, and Beacham, are fully aware of what will shortly be coming their way -- yet again, but this time via competent and capable lawyers, as opposed to the useless incompetent ones who were paid by Alan Roberts to act for him in 2017 and 2018 -- the apposite parts of the correspondence with the 2017 prospective buyer of "Planet" will be published in the pages of Thunderboat, and elsewhere, and will including the Counsel's opinion obtained by the 2017 prospective buyer, as well as the C&RT letter that makes it clear that its own so-called lawyers were then, as they apparently still are, unable to or simply too dishonest to differentiate between selling something as its true rightful 'owner', as opposed to selling something under a lawfully acquired "right to sell" as an 'involuntary bailee'. I'm putting this stuff on this thread for the moment. It really should go on the " Bar Lightship impounded by CRT" thread as well, but I'm not going to put anything else on there unless and until the latest recruit to the TB Goon Squad changes the title back to the original, . . and undertakes not to indulge in any more infantile pissing about with it again. Why don’t you just start your own thread, then you can call it whatever you like?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jun 23, 2021 16:24:20 GMT
Since making the previous post yesterday evening, I've looked out the copies of some extensive and prolonged correspondence, which went on from January 2017 to December of the same year, that Alan Roberts was sent by a prospective buyer of "Planet" who eventually declined to proceed with buying the ship having sought legal advice as to the various involved parties rights, or otherwise, to be offering the ship for sale. The copies of the correspondence and the legal advice consisted mainly of e-mailed communications between Commercial Boat Services [CBS], Steve Beacham of Sharpness Shipyard, and the prospective buyer of the ship, who went to the trouble and expense of obtaining legal advice though a Solicitor in the shape of Counsel's opinion, and was then decent and generous enough to make the advice, including Counsel's opinion, available to Alan Roberts, the ship's true and rightful owner, CBS, Steve Beacham, and the Canal & River Trust [C&RT]. In order that C&RT, and CBS, and Beacham, are fully aware of what will shortly be coming their way -- yet again, but this time via competent and capable lawyers, as opposed to the useless incompetent ones who were paid by Alan Roberts to act for him in 2017 and 2018 -- the apposite parts of the correspondence with the 2017 prospective buyer of "Planet" will be published in the pages of Thunderboat, and elsewhere, and will including the Counsel's opinion obtained by the 2017 prospective buyer, as well as the C&RT letter that makes it clear that its own so-called lawyers were then, as they apparently still are, unable to or simply too dishonest to differentiate between selling something as its true rightful 'owner', as opposed to selling something under a lawfully acquired "right to sell" as an 'involuntary bailee'. I'm putting this stuff on this thread for the moment. It really should go on the " Bar Lightship impounded by CRT" thread as well, but I'm not going to put anything else on there unless and until the latest recruit to the TB Goon Squad changes the title back to the original, . . and undertakes not to indulge in any more infantile pissing about with it again. Why don’t you just start your own thread, then you can call it whatever you like? The " Bar Lightship impounded by CRT" thread is 80 pages of which a large part is carefully researched and written stuff that Nigel Moore and I posted, . . some of which Nigel had retrieved from CWDF before it was obliterated on the instructions of the site owner. A new thread wouldn't make much sense to anyone reading it unless most of the '' Bar Lightship impounded by CRT'' content was either transferred to the new thread, or referenced in the new thread, . . which would make it rather tedious to read -- to say the least !
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