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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 21:06:32 GMT
I didn't realise that the false rivet detail extended to below the waterline.
This is partly due to my inability to become interested in "work" of any sort and obviously getting boats out of water and working on them is "work". Much better to be boating during these episodes on one of the other vessels..
Fake rivets below waterline.
And I was like 'O M G'
Isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 21:12:36 GMT
I’m sure you know, though maybe not, that Barry Hawkins used to work for Steve Hudson. He then took Steve’s ideas and set up on his own with his own modified take on boat building, including false rivets x 10! So you have bought a mutant Steve Hudson, Eeek! Oh the shame! Or to put it another way, nice good quality boat! Everyone knows that Steve always did quality boats before he went to Glascote and also afterwards. Well constructed vessels there is no argument about that but the slightly dodgy interpretation do a "Josher bow" is always going to attract negative comments. I do like the sterns though. Very nicely done. The bows arrr a bit wrong but in quality terms you can't fault them. Only thing is if you want a boat that actually looks like a really nice copy of a Josher you will have to find someone at Brinklow or Roger Fuller.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 11, 2021 21:24:38 GMT
I’m sure you know, though maybe not, that Barry Hawkins used to work for Steve Hudson. He then took Steve’s ideas and set up on his own with his own modified take on boat building, including false rivets x 10! So you have bought a mutant Steve Hudson, Eeek! Oh the shame! Or to put it another way, nice good quality boat! Everyone knows that Steve always did quality boats before he went to Glascote and also afterwards. Well constructed vessels there is no argument about that but the slightly dodgy interpretation do a "Josher bow" is always going to attract negative comments. I do like the sterns though. Very nicely done. The bows arrr a bit wrong but in quality terms you can't fault them. Only thing is if you want a boat that actually looks like a really nice copy of a Josher you will have to find someone at Brinklow or Roger Fuller. It’s a brand thing. If his boats looked identical to some FMC thing then it would be an FMC thing, not a Hudson thing. It’s certainly the case that when we see a moored or approaching boat, it is pretty easy to tell it’s an SMH not an FMC. As well as having a proper full length cabin obvs. But it is fairly close, we saw a genuine FMC the other day and the shape is very similar. One thing of note is that SMH’s tug style boats look less extreme in the bow department - but in fact they are an identical shape, just with more ballast at the front which makes the bow sit lower and at a less pointy-up angle. It could be argued that trying to create an exact replica of an FMC in 2021 is fakery par excellence. Whereas SMH’s boats are modern pleasure boats with just a nod to tradition.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 11, 2021 21:41:23 GMT
That's a lovely boat, shape to die for. Personally I don't like the colour scheme, but that's just me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 21:41:50 GMT
TelemachusThat's an interesting way of looking at it. The only issue I can see is that a huddy out of the Glascote yard is caricature. I may have a slightly unusual eye for detail but
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Post by mouse on Aug 11, 2021 22:39:29 GMT
Looks sound and a very attractive boat. Even don't mind the rivets. Rog Just decline any invitation to be shown the Golden Rivet!!! 🤣🤣
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 11, 2021 22:39:54 GMT
Telemachus That's an interesting way of looking at it. The only issue I can see is that a huddy out of the Glascote yard is caricature. I may have a slightly unusual eye for detail but A caricature of what? If you mean a genuine and original FMC boat then I’m struggling to see the resemblance. The FMC has a very short cabin and an enormous hold full of dirty stuff. Made of iron, with no quiet modern engine, no comfy cabin with all mod cons. The overall shape is of course “narrowboat” but that has something to do with the shape of the locks! A caricature is defined as “a picture, description, or imitation of a person in which certain striking characteristics are exaggerated in order to create a comic or grotesque effect.” I don’t see anything comical or grotesque, and if I saw it in someone else’s boat such as some unusual river cruiser, it would be rather rude to say so to them. People seem to get a kick out of ridiculing his boats but one has to bear in mind that he sold over 200 such boats to eager customers, which is more than anyone on here ever did. So I suspect it is only sour grapes.
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Post by patty on Aug 12, 2021 6:38:08 GMT
That looks a lovely project boat... Don't know much about rivets but they look ok to me...
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Post by JohnV on Aug 12, 2021 9:31:12 GMT
Telemachus That's an interesting way of looking at it. The only issue I can see is that a huddy out of the Glascote yard is caricature. I may have a slightly unusual eye for detail but People seem to get a kick out of ridiculing his boats but one has to bear in mind that he sold over 200 such boats to eager customers, which is more than anyone on here ever did. So I suspect it is only sour grapes. a non sequitur I would suggest, as I don't believe anyone on here was involved in the trade of boatbuilding
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 12, 2021 9:34:54 GMT
People seem to get a kick out of ridiculing his boats but one has to bear in mind that he sold over 200 such boats to eager customers, which is more than anyone on here ever did. So I suspect it is only sour grapes. a non sequitur I would suggest, as I don't believe anyone on here was involved in the trade of boatbuilding Not really a non sequitur because my point was it is always easy to criticise other people’s work and business acumen, much harder to do better one’s self.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 9:51:22 GMT
I can recognise Liverpool and Colecraft shells same as Hudson's ... they're all modern 'holiday' boats designed to fit modern requirements. Hudson did include more 'nods to history' but only as a style issue ... and of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder (get it out with optrex). I think Andyberg's project looks a sturdily made and very handsome tug style modern holiday boat. Unless you're a 'proper working boat' fan , I don't think you can expect more. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 10:03:51 GMT
I don't "get a kick out of ridiculing other people's boats".
I just have an opinion that the SMH boats are caricature-like. The bow is described as "Josher style" so I suppose it's not meant to imitate a real one or be a "Replica".
I know there is a market for them and that's great but I find the bows just wrong. Personal taste.
I don't give a toss if someone says Dulcinea is horribly ugly or a caricature.
I am a fan of proper replicas like five towns or the Brinklow lads.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 10:06:35 GMT
a non sequitur I would suggest, as I don't believe anyone on here was involved in the trade of boatbuilding Not really a non sequitur because my point was it is always easy to criticise other people’s work and business acumen, much harder to do better one’s self. I was not criticising Steve Hudson in the slightest! He made a lot of really good quality narrow boats and tapped into a market for a particular type of vessel very successfully. I just very much dislike the bow shape. I remember one of the boats he did before he started with the Josher style and that was a really nice boat. Really nice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 13:17:13 GMT
I quite like them ... however some of the latter ones the bow did seem over stretched and pinched ... whether that was by choice of builder or customer, I don't know, but would guess builder.
I know at the time we visited him, we wanted windows other than in the bedroom and he pointed out he built boats with portholes.
They certainly were solidly made boats, whether to everyone's taste or not.
Rog
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Post by JohnV on Aug 12, 2021 14:07:56 GMT
They certainly were solidly made boats, whether to everyone's taste or not. Rog Not particularly to my taste .... come to that I'm not a great narrowboat fan although Andyberg's looks nice but I would never be crossing your palm with silver to aquire one for me.....................
Dulcinea however
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