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Post by Graham on Oct 26, 2016 10:39:09 GMT
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Post by Graham on Oct 26, 2016 10:41:34 GMT
So expert why don't you get proactive and write in simple language basic threads just for lay people. No sit and wait until people have problem Oh for God's sake grow up! I grew up before you were born Now is writing some simple language basic technical thread beneath you or your skill set Now become proactive populate the site with some simple language basic threads or is that beneath you and your skill set
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Post by Albion on Oct 26, 2016 10:59:22 GMT
Personally, having some reasonable technical expertise myself, I would value any input from the two Tonys and I sincerely hope that unnecessary sniping doesn't put them off doing so. Technical discussion can only be of interest to anyone at all, including anyone who has some ability to challenge defective info posted. Roger
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Post by tonyb on Oct 26, 2016 11:07:00 GMT
So expert why don't you get proactive and write in simple language basic threads just for lay people. No sit and wait until people have problem I have to the best of my ability and if members will pardon me you will find it all on www.tb-training.co.uk but many seem not to be able to find it. Of course if you would like to specify what these threads need to cover and then pay for the time I am sure some of us will be happy to provide you with what you want but professional fees do not come cheap.. In any case even then it is impossible to cover everything that people may want to ask. If we wait until people ask we know more or less what they want. We are not mind readers. Apologies for the we if anyone thinks it is self aggrandizement.
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Post by Graham on Oct 26, 2016 11:18:11 GMT
So expert why don't you get proactive and write in simple language basic threads just for lay people. No sit and wait until people have problem I have to the best of my ability and if members will pardon me you will find it all on www.tb-training.co.uk but many seem not to be able to find it. Of course if you would like to specify what these threads need to cover and then pay for the time I am sure some of us will be happy to provide you with what you want but professional fees do not come cheap.. In any case even then it is impossible to cover everything that people may want to ask. If we wait until people ask we know more or less what they want. We are not mind readers. Apologies for the we if anyone thinks it is self aggrandizement. Actually tonyb to me that is a bit of self aggrandisement. I seem to remember when I retired my hourly rate for my technical skills was in three figures and that was a few years ago. I would never dream of even suggesting that a site or any boater asking advice should pay me. You have retired so maybe put something back in by giving a new site some simple language basic technical threads.
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Post by Trina on Oct 26, 2016 11:18:38 GMT
So expert why don't you get proactive and write in simple language basic threads just for lay people. No sit and wait until people have problem There really was no need for that.
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Post by IainS on Oct 26, 2016 12:51:39 GMT
Actually tonyb to me that is a bit of self aggrandisement. I seem to remember when I retired my hourly rate for my technical skills was in three figures and that was a few years ago. I would never dream of even suggesting that a site or any boater asking advice should pay me. You have retired so maybe put something back in by giving a new site some simple language basic technical threads. There's no need for that either. Tony has put a hell of a lot back into boating, not only through his excellent course notes, but extensive, knowledgeable, and trusted answers to questions on CWF, and in the Canal press. Also, unlike some, he is prepared to follow the evidence, and his advice on some things has evolved. (Fuelset v Marine16 comes to mind)
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Post by tonyqj on Oct 26, 2016 12:57:36 GMT
Actually tonyb to me that is a bit of self aggrandisement. You really are a churlish little girl, aren't you? You have no respect for anyone except yourself.
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Post by Graham on Oct 26, 2016 12:57:52 GMT
Actually tonyb to me that is a bit of self aggrandisement. I seem to remember when I retired my hourly rate for my technical skills was in three figures and that was a few years ago. I would never dream of even suggesting that a site or any boater asking advice should pay me. You have retired so maybe put something back in by giving a new site some simple language basic technical threads. (Fuelset v Marine16 comes to mind) From some of the reading I have done that is still a bit open, Marine16 to kill bugs etc and Fuelset to run with seems to be a considered opinion. I know in my boats I use Marine16 when they are laid up and Fuelset when regularly cruising. That seems to work OK.
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Post by Graham on Oct 26, 2016 12:59:33 GMT
Actually tonyb to me that is a bit of self aggrandisement. You really are a churlish little girl, aren't you? You have no respect for anyone except yourself. Well not for you and your attitude unless it has changed and yes I do think it is a bit of self aggrandisement.
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Post by tonyb on Oct 26, 2016 13:14:16 GMT
I have to the best of my ability and if members will pardon me you will find it all on www.tb-training.co.uk but many seem not to be able to find it. Of course if you would like to specify what these threads need to cover and then pay for the time I am sure some of us will be happy to provide you with what you want but professional fees do not come cheap.. In any case even then it is impossible to cover everything that people may want to ask. If we wait until people ask we know more or less what they want. We are not mind readers. Apologies for the we if anyone thinks it is self aggrandizement. Actually tonyb to me that is a bit of self aggrandisement. I seem to remember when I retired my hourly rate for my technical skills was in three figures and that was a few years ago. I would never dream of even suggesting that a site or any boater asking advice should pay me. You have retired so maybe put something back in by giving a new site some simple language basic technical threads. So you are perfecter happy to try to task professionals to spend a very considerable time in compiling threads that you can not be bothered to specify and then seem to object when it is suggested that you not only do a bit of work so the task is possible and also to pay for the time required. You are the one asking for these unspecified technical threads not other questioners. They seem perfectly happy with the work others do put into trying to help them. The time required to do as you ask is many weeks and possibly months or years. You are in essence asking people to write a text book for you - guess what, there are plenty available if you will only pay but of course you do not want that. You think everyone should give up their time to meet your requests without payment. I feel sorry for you.
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Post by PaulG2 on Oct 26, 2016 13:43:51 GMT
So expert why don't you get proactive and write in simple language basic threads just for lay people. No sit and wait until people have problem Or maybe go to all the trouble of writing something and then have a hissy fit and have it removed? Graham, you can be an okay guy, but in regards to this particular subject you really need to GROW UP!!!! Personally, I think you should ask D9 to reinstate those threads to do away with that deleting nonsense and then edit your post if need be. I spent many years working as an electrician wiring houses and light commercial. On other forums, I used to try to explain electrical issues in simple terms that I thought most people could understand and I was constantly taking flak from other electricians because I wasn't being technically correct to the Nth degree. So I know how you feel. In the end, I decided it wasn't worth the hassle and just quite posting about electrical stuff. Just my two pence worth...
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Post by bettina on Oct 26, 2016 13:44:56 GMT
OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!! Enough already! I presume you are all grown men here? You all have some level of 'expertize' whether it be engines, electrics, battery management, plumbing or Gas or whatever else is on the list of things I & a few others know nothing about. Because it's a new forum (to us), we were at a stage of beginning to dip our toes in the water and getting brave enough to ask questions and be completely honest about our knowledge level and how we best learn. For me it's with analogies & then confirming back that I've understood the info correctly, for someone else it may be through diagrams or pictures, and yet for others it might be reading manuals. Point being it has been proven there are many different methods of understanding new material presented to you, and at many different levels. Now I do believe that a fair amount of responsibility rests on the person asking the question as well. I.E they should state their current level of knowledge of the subject, what learning type they are, and if they prefer to have replies provided in 'tech' speak or lay terms. Then the person or person's responding will have an idea of their target audience. For the past couple of days, most of what I've read, comes across as a bunch of 'experts' (this does Not include Tony B btw) bickering among themselves. And to be completely honest IMO, 1 of you are coming across as a 'big girls blouse' who has thrown all of their toys out of the pram, some of them hitting the 'I can only use techy words' guy, and the rest of them hit the remainder who seem to be in some form of "who can piss up the wall farthest' competition. Mean while sitting on the sidelines taking this all in, are us, the folks who want to learn, but are loosing the will to ask questions because we don't want to be involved in or seen to create, some ego fighting cows whallop that has nothing really to do with the question we asked.....not to be confused with correcting someone when they are giving out incorrect or dangerous advice, but to give the correct info and explain why the incorrect info was indeed incorrect and the consequences that could result if it were followed. And to end my little tantrum on a positive note...I think I can say on behalf of most of us who want to learn, is we really appreciate you taking the time & effort to answer our questions There, now I need to get the broom and sweep up all these bloody toys
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Post by Graham on Oct 26, 2016 13:49:06 GMT
Actually tonyb to me that is a bit of self aggrandisement. I seem to remember when I retired my hourly rate for my technical skills was in three figures and that was a few years ago. I would never dream of even suggesting that a site or any boater asking advice should pay me. You have retired so maybe put something back in by giving a new site some simple language basic technical threads. So you are perfecter happy to try to task professionals to spend a very considerable time in compiling threads that you can not be bothered to specify and then seem to object when it is suggested that you not only do a bit of work so the task is possible and also to pay for the time required. You are the one asking for these unspecified technical threads not other questioners. They seem perfectly happy with the work others do put into trying to help them. The time required to do as you ask is many weeks and possibly months or years. You are in essence asking people to write a text book for you - guess what, there are plenty available if you will only pay but of course you do not want that. You think everyone should give up their time to meet your requests without payment. I feel sorry for you. Thank you for feeling sorry for me. As a professional all my working life and even now I have always given of my time freely to organisation like TB. To me that has been a contribution to society a return and a way of helping others. I am sure that you can think of several basic things on which you could write a couple of pages that would help start the sites coffers off with. You are I believe basically an engine person, could be wrong, maybe the do and don'ts of winterising a boat engine and running train, might go for the whole boat. Suspect you would have to lay down an example boat. But winter is coming so the ideal time yes?
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Post by Albion on Oct 26, 2016 13:56:23 GMT
Oh for goodness sake Graham, please, please give it a rest. Anybody with real expertise is welcome to contribute here surely? Why denigrate their efforts before they've even started. Also, I've never known one of these experts have to ask that their posts be removed........Hhmmm, wonder why that is? Roger
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